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OPA2211A: 0.1- to 10-Hz Noise

Part Number: OPA2211A
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: OPA725, OPA388

Hi All,

I have a question about the graph of OPA2211A.
Please tell me the measurement circuit of Fig.5 below.

Best Regards,
Ishiwata

  • Hi Ishiwata-san,

    The video clip suggested by Kai should address your 1/f noise characterization questions.  

    If you have additional questions, please let us know. 

    Best,

    Raymond

  • In additoin Ishiwata-san, 

    I had addressed this topic in an AudioXpress article referenced here, 

    Part of that article maps low frequency 1/f noise to Vpp using this simple equation, 

    Going to the OPA2211A daasheet, front page plot where the flat part is supposed to be 1.1nV and the 1/f corner is is where that is 1.414*1.1 = 1.55nV - looks like about 22Hz. Putting those numbers into the equation above with F2=10Hz and F1=0.1Hz gives an equivalent flat noise (that will integrated to the same noise power) of 3.7nV/rootHz. Then, taking that times root(10Hz-0.1Hz) gives an integrated RMS noise of 11.6nVrms, then take that times 6 crest factor for an approx. Vpp noise to get 70nVpp

    And this plot shows about 70nV peak to peak on this test, so that works - keep in mind, this plot is an individual device measured, there is actually quite a lot of part to part variation in this, 

    The video Kai referred you to is very good and ends up with the OPA725 as the Low F active filter op amp. That is good for no 1/f noise, but seems really high on flatband noise. And yes, if the DUT is at a gain of 1000 that probably does not matter, but you cannot always put a DUT in that high a gain - for the article, I had done this implementation - Using a gain distributed 4th order MFB low pass in the 2nd two stages has better stop band rejection. The OPA388 is a more modern choice with no 1/f, no drift, and 7nV input noise. I also use this preamp to measure popcorn noise.  

    5287.Updated filter design 0.1Hz to 10Hz OPA388 2019 model for article.TSC

  • As long as I had that preamp sim file open, here is the input referred voltage noise - this is what DUT needs to exceed by say 10X to get a good mesurement, 

    And here is the broadband frequency response to the output, using an MFB design gives you that great stop band rejection to higher F - may not be needed but comes along free with the design, 

    Zooming in on the 0.01Hz to say 100Hz span, this 0.1dB Chebychev for the LP gives a better cuttoff, yes, -3dB at 0.1Hz but flat at 10Hz then cutoff sharply, 

  • Hi Raymond-san, Michael-san,

    I'm sorry for the delay in contacting you.
    Thank you for your reply and support.

    Best Regards,
    Ishiwata