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TLV9001: How to improve FRA

Part Number: OPA397
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TLV9001, , TLV9061, TLV9002

Tool/software:

Hi Team.

When using TLV9001 as a voltage follower as shown in the circuit diagram,
is there a way to improve the frequency characteristics from 100Hz to 100kHz?

Regards.

  • Part Number: OPA397

    Tool/software:

    Hi Team.

    When using OPA397 as a voltage follower as shown in the circuit diagram,
    is there a way to improve the frequency characteristics from 1kHz to 200kHz?

    Regards.

  • Can you use a smaller capacitor, or a larger resistor? Does your actual application really have a load of 470 nF?

  • I implemented an RC filter to improve the noise level superimposed on the output voltage of the OPA397.
    Increasing the resistance improves the frequency characteristics, but it makes it impossible to meet
    the input voltage specifications of the downstream device.

    Is there any solution other than changing the RC filter constant?

  • Does the noise originate from the input signal, or is it added by the opamp?
    In the first case, filter the input signal. In the second case, use a better opamp (which is not as cheap as an RC filter).

    The TLV9001 and OPA397 are specified as having 30 and 6.5 nV/√Hz at 1 kHz and certain other test conditions. What are your actual requirements?

  • Thanks Clemens for your continued support.

    Yamamoto-san

    Please provide system requirements for the voltage follower so we can assist with proper device selection and configuration.

    Thanks, Chuck

  • Thanks for  your supoort.

    >Does the noise originate from the input signal, or is it added by the opamp?
    Noise signal appeared in the output signal.

    >Please provide system requirements for the voltage follower
    The output voltage must be input to downstream devices, including the temperature characteristics of the op amp.
    Stable frequency characteristics are also required.
    In this circuit, the phase margin around 10 kHz must be improved to at least 60°.

    If I continue to use this op-amp IC and RC filter, is it possible to improve
    the frequency characteristics by adding a circuit (such as a phase compensation circuit)?

  • Hello Yamamoto-san,

    Is this noise in the simulation or real world? What is the noise? Could it be an oscillation? 

    If the goal of the circuit was stated, we could help you better and much faster resolution. If I had to guess, it is a 0.5V reference buffer and I'd ask about the load current. 

  • Thank you for your help.


    0.5V is input to the REF terminal of a current sense IC (INA296) that measures the current of a DC-DC converter switching at 100kHz.
    100kHz noise components are superimposed on the output voltage of the voltage follower.
    I am worried that the around 100Khz phase margin is insufficient and it may oscillate.

  • Yamamoto,

    One option is to use a faster op amp like TLV9061 (10MHz) and remove the output load. Output impedance very low at low frequency;  rising smoothly to just over 1 ohm at 100kHz.

    You can keep TLV9001. 100k is now 0.16 Ohms. The phase shift in output Z is smooth suggesting good phase margin. 

  • Thank you for your help.

    The solution you proposed was effective, but because wiring the board is difficult, I am thinking of taking the solution shown in the figure.
    In this circuit, when using TLV9002 and OPA397, why does the REF terminal voltage of the current SENSE IC (INA296) deviate by about 20mV? Also, are there any points to be careful of when using an op amp in this way?

  • First remove R14, R18 ; these resistors make a current of Vos/10 which changes the input voltage by a lot and the output voltage error a little.

    U1 and U6 should remove the 0.5V Vref and the 0.5V Vref error