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INA146: ESD protection on INA146 inputs

Part Number: INA146
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TVS3300, TVS2200, INA148, INA149, INA132

Hi,

Is there already a general or well-tried practice to protect INA146 against ESD event which meets the criteria of the IEC 61000-4-2 standard?

I find it very difficult as TVS diodes above 60V working voltages have clamping voltages above 100V which is already above the absolute maximum input voltage of the INA146. Therefore I am not sure whether the device would survive such an event.

Thanks in advance!
Tamas

  • Hi Markus,

    caps can absorb a huge amount of the charge transferred during a ESD event. 8kV of a 100p cap produces a voltage of 8V when discharging into a 100n cap.

    Kai
  • Hi Markus,

    The INA146 can survive 1kV out of circuit ESD events without external protection. This may differ from its in circuit performance though. To better understand what you need can you share some more information about your application? Do you need bipolar protection? What is your common-mode voltage and does this stay fixed or does it move? How much of a concern is leakage current?

    Something you may consider is using multiple TVS3300 or TVS2200 diodes stacked in series. These are not traditional TVS diodes and have a much sharper knee resulting in a much flatter clamping voltage. The TVS3300 for example has a breakdown voltage of 34V and a clamping voltage of only 40V. They are unidirectional devices though so I'm not sure if this would work for you. There may be other devices on the market that are better for this.

  • Marcus

    We haven't heard back from you so we assume you were able to resolve your issue. If not, post a reply below, or create a new thread if this one has timed-out.

    Thanks
    Dennis
  • Hi Zak,

    Thanks for the information and for the ideas! Unfortunately I need bidirectional protection and I would measure 75V input voltage with maximum of 20V common-mode voltage. I have came to the conclusion that I have to make the differential amplifier from discrete components to raise the common-mode voltage range up to around 200V. This way I can easily protect the circuit from an ESD event with a general TVS diode.

    Best regards,
    Tamas

  • Hi Dennis,
    Sorry for the delay!
    Regards,
    Tamas
  • Hey Tamas,

    Just keep in mind that building a diff amp discretely will not yield very good common-mode rejection due to mismatch in component values. Alternatively, you may consider using a device like the INA148 or INA149 and following it with a gain stage. The INA148 can support common-mode voltages up to +/-200V while the INA149 can tolerate up to +/-275V.
  • Hi Markus,

    I fully agree with Zak: It's not wise to fabricate the difference amplifier with discrete components by yourself, because it's not simple at all to achieve the needed good CMRR (common mode rejection ratio). It's often overlooked what sensationally good CMRR these INAs from TI provide! To achieve 90dB CMRR allows resistance tolerances in the difference amplifer of only <0.02%, including temperature drift and long term drift. This is very very difficult to achieve (read impossible) with discretes. Only the monolithic construction on a die can guarantee this.

    Kai

  • Hi Zak,

    Unfortunately I can not use INA148 or INA149 as I need some attenuation to measure input voltages up to 75V with the presence of common-mode voltage.

    Regards,
    Tamas

  • Hi Kai,

    Thanks for the information! In this case I may trying to use the wrong tool to solve the problem. Do you think that in this case applying an instrumentation amplifier followed by discrete voltage dividers would be a better solution?

    Thanks,
    Tamas
  • Hi Tamas,

    I apologize, it sounds like I misinterpreted what you are after. 75V is too large of a differential voltage to measure directly. Perhaps we should take a step back. What exactly are you measuring the voltage of and what kind of range are you trying to scale things to? Is your common-mode input voltage constant or does it fluctuate, and if it does, how much?  

    There are a couple different approaches you could take here. The first is to divide down the signal to a more suitable differential level and run this into a difference amplifier. You have to be careful doing this though because the internal resistors of our difference amplifiers are very precisely matched in ratio, but not necessarily in absolute value so external input resistance could severely impact the CMRR. As long as you use precision resistors and keep the values small compared to the input impedance of the diff amp you wont degrade the CMRR to heavily. If you do this, you don't necessarily need to use a high common-mode input amplifier, you could get away with something like the INA132 like in the circuit I've attached.

    INA132 Divider Circuit.TSC

    Alternatively you could just use a true instrumentation amplifier after the divider to have a high input impedance and preserve your CMRR. The viability of this option depends on how much fluctuation you have in your input common-mode voltage.

  • Markus

    We haven't heard back from you so we assume this resolved your issue. If not post another reply below, or create a new thread if this one has timed-out.

    Thanks
    Dennis