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LMH6611: Rf limits

Part Number: LMH6611
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: OPA837

The datasheet SNOSB00K – provides guidance to use Rf between 500 ohms & 1kOhms on page 22/ Figure 68.

Is there a problem with using a higher resistance in the amplifier such as ~ 49.9K ot 75K for a gain of ~ -60 to - 75 inverting amplifier application? (Rin = 1k, Rf=60.4K, Cf = 220pF)

  • Hey Steve how you doing, I am just writing articles in the mornings and playing golf every afternoon - The one I am working on right now is how do you calculate and then measure the time domain 0.1Hz to 10Hz noise specs. 

    Going to be pretty slow at that high a gain and feedback C - you will also need to check stability with that big feedback C - We were discovering in the last few years that when we included the real reactive open loop output impedance with that feedback C could get into some problems that were masked by poor earlier models. I doubt this one has been updated to a better Zol model but you might test it to see what it looks like, 

    here was some improved loop gain discussion (the prec. labs stuff is slightly off) and then some specifics to VFA issues and resolutions. 

    https://www.planetanalog.com/stability-issues-for-high-speed-amplifiers-introductory-background-and-improved-analysis-insight-5/#

    https://www.planetanalog.com/stability-issues-and-resolutions-for-high-speed-voltage-feedback-op-amps-insight-6/

  • Incidentally Steve, the ti web model is PSPICE - the TINA V11 library I have had a TINA model here that is - 2008 and while it is transistor based (which is usually the best) the Q subckts are too simple. 

    LMH6611_2008 model.TSC

  • MIchael -

    Good to hear from you and I hope you are safe & well  - thanks for the guidance!!

  • Hello Steve,

    This should be fine. The section of the datasheet that discusses the recommended Rf value does not account for introducing feedback capacitance into the circuit. The zero produced by Cf and Cin should maintain the stability of your amplifier without limiting your bandwidth. You can see this in the attached TINA model:

    Steve.TSC

    Best,

    Hasan Babiker

  • I would not be quite so sanguine Hasan, 

    the point I was trying make is this RR out model may not be emulating the higher F resonance we see in those stages and more recent models - here is what the LMH6611 model produces - might be right, but most parts have what is shown below for the OPA837 model, I got that Zol from the designer and tuned the model in to produce with an RLC network on the output. 

    Looking at the LMH6611 there is a closed loop plot and a funny error on that page - probably should be Av = 1V/V not not equal, 

    here is what the OPA837 zol looks like in the model - ideally, you would at this point ask a designer to recover the design files and run an open loop zout to see if there a need for model update - not likely I know, but that resonance in the Zout for the OPA837 is what causes the phase margin to dip with a feedback C. The precision labs LG sim approach misses that while the one I use breaking the loop at the summing node does not - described in that part 5 article attached.