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INA217: Hum noise in Audio pre amplifier ( INA217AIDWT )

Part Number: INA217


Hello sir,

 

     We are using INA217AIDWT pre-amplifier for converting XLR differential audio input to single endded output

Pre-amplifier single ended output given to Audio codec (PCM2900CDB ) through Active Low Pass filter (using OP-AMP:  OPA2353UA ).

We are giving input power supply +5V to this board through USB adapter.

We are generating  -5V supply using Charge pump regulator IC ( LTC1046IS8#PBF ).

+5V & -5V given to the Pre-amp ( INA217 ) section.

Last time we did this project by using two layer PCB.

I can't able hear clear audio because of hum noise present in the audio signal.

I done some experiment to find the Noise source. 

Hum noise gets cancelled when I am shorting XLR differential inputs together.

Hum noise gets cancelled When I connect Pre amplifier ( INA217 ) output to ground.

We plan to go next revision of this project.

So please give me your suggestion to proceed further.

 

Hereby attached this Audio Codec Schematic for your reference.

4571.C17145F.PDF

 

Regards

Lakshmanan V

  • Hi Lakshmanan,

    haven't we discussed the same issue a while ago? Can you give a link to that thread?

    Kai
  • Hello Kai,

    Yes we discussed same issue in the following link
    e2e.ti.com/.../698716

    Ok, I will follow old thread.
    We will discuss the hum noise issue using old thread.

    Regards
    Lakshmanan V
  • Hi Lakshmanan,

    I can only repeat myself:

    e2e.ti.com/.../2580116

    Kai
  • Hi Lakshmanan,
    In addition to Kai's suggestion of removing the charge pump from the circuit to troubleshoot, can you rule out a PCB layout issue as the source of this noise? The fact that the noise disappears when the XLR inputs are shorted suggests that it's possible noise is capacitively coupling into the inputs of the INA, possibly from a nearby noisy power supply trace or data line.
  • Hello Alex Davis & Kai,

      

                 At present we are giving +5 Volts supply to INA217 taken from USB power adapter.

     And -5V generated from Charge pump regulator & given to INA217

    Instead of giving ±5V to INA217, We have plan to give ±4.5V to INA217 using LDO regulator.

    We have plan to use 4 layer PCB. So we provide solid ground plane.

    So please give me the suggestion to proceed further.


    Thanks & Regards

    Lakshmanan V

  • Hi Lakshmanan,

    have you made the testing I recommended? What is the result?

    Kai
  • Hello sir,

         As of now we don't have the board for testing.

    we don't have pad in the board to create the LPF for filtering power supply noise.

    So, we are planning to go next revision of this board.

    Please suggest us for changes in the next revision.

    Thanks & Regards

    Lakshmanan V

  • Hi Lakshamanan,

    Any additional recommendations I could make at this point would require access to the PCB for testing, as there are a few possible sources (as we've discussed earlier in this thread). If you're unable to troubleshoot further, I don't think there's any recommendation I can make that I haven't already. I'd suggest all the following:

    1. Improve filtering in the power supply connections to the INA217. If possible, power the INA217 from a linear regulator to further reduce power supply noise.

    2. Ensure that "ground islands" don't exist in your layout. If, for example, the ground connections C42, C43, R7, and D3 all connected to each other but didn't connect back to the global USB_GND_CODEC, noise present on the P5V_USB supply would couple into the inputs of the INA217, and this coupled noise would go away when the INA inputs were shorted. If you're doing the layout on a 4-layer stackup with a dedicated ground, this shouldn't be an issue.

    3. Ensure that noisy, high speed signals (USB data connections, USB +5V, switching power supply rails, etc) are routed far away from the sensitive analog inputs to the INA217.  

  • Lakshamanan

    We haven't heard back from you so we assume this answered your questions. If you need more help just post another reply below.

    Thanks
    Dennis