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ADC09QJ1300EVM: not enough output amplitude issue

Part Number: ADC09QJ1300EVM

Hi Expert,

My customer have an issue that is not enough output amplitude with ADC09QJ1300EVM.

Test condition1 (no issue)

GUI : OnBoard 50M Ref, Fs=500Msps, JMODE10

         RX_DIV = 16, 32 and 64

Output amplitude is 460mV  @RX_DIV=16 (195.3MHz)

Output amplitude is 540mV  @RX_DIV=32 (97.7MHz)

Output amplitude is 530mV  @RX_DIV=64 (48.8MHz)

Test condition2 (issue)

GUI :OnBoard 50M Ref, Fs=800Msps, JMODE10

         RX_DIV = 16, 32 and 64

Output amplitude is 280mV  @RX_DIV=16 (312.5MHz)

Output amplitude is 380mV  @RX_DIV=32 (156.25MHz)

Output amplitude is 340mV  @RX_DIV=64 (78.125MHz)

*It is spec out V DIFF(min) 400m Vpp-DIFF

  Also FPGA was not locked PLL at this test condition.

Measurement point

R234(DNP) J9 TRIGOUT+ side and R241(DNP) K9 RTIGOUT- side

Could you please give me your advice?

Thanks

Muk

  • Hi Muk,

    For the second use case can you please confirm that the CPLL was locked? It can be checked by clicking the button below on the gui. The PLL will be locked and it will be green. Also can you confirm when the 

    Also can you please make sure when changing RX_DIV setting TRIGOUT_EN is disabled and then enabled. 

    Can you also try different sampling frequency may be 1G instead of 800MHz and see if you still see the issue. 

    Regards,

    Neeraj

  • Hi Neeraj-san

    Thank you for your reply.

    -After pressing the button in the EVM tag, They make sure that the PLL Status of the ADC PLL tag is green.
    If the PLL Status is not green, the clock will not be output.
    -When changing the RX_DIV setting, TRIGOUT_EN was turned OFF / ON, but the phenomenon was not improved.
    ・ I attach a waveform that was set to 1G aslo.

    amplitude_problem.xlsx

    The band of the oscilloscope used for the measurement is 300MHz, 2.5GS / s.
    The probe is a 1GHz FET.

    They found different test results, somtimes good, somtimes bad even if both 800Msps and 500Msps (1Gsps also)

    Can they modify the output amplitude with GUI setting? Also, do you have any advice? 

    Also, at Fs = 800Msps, the FPGA PLL locks when the amplitude is close to 500mV.
    However, the data output of TI's JESD204 IP has not been confirmed.
    Is there a way to check the output of the XILINX FPGA transceiver when using TI's JESD204 IP?

    Thanks

    Muk

  • Hi Muk,

    There are two issue I see with the measurement technique. 

    1. The bandwidth of Oscope used for measurement is not enough. Can customer try a scope with 500MHz or 1GHz  bandwidth Oscope?

    2. if you want to measure the swing I would recommend to populate the R234 and R241 and remove R236 and R240 and then do the measurement. 

    You can check the output of XILINX FPGA by mapping it ILA on Vivado and then can export the waveforms form vivado. 

    Regards,

    Neeraj.

  • Hi

    At Fs=500Msps、RX_DIV=64  Output frequency is 49MHz.

    It is enough the bandwidth of oscope, right?

    However, they have sometimes found the output amplitude issue with above condition.

    (Question1)

    Could you please test in your labo condition?

    OnBoard 50M Ref, Fs=800Msps, JMODE10 and OnBoard 50M Ref, Fs=500Msps, JMODE10

    RX_DIV = 16, 32 and 64

    R234(DNP) J9 TRIGOUT+ side and R241(DNP) K9 RTIGOUT- side

    (Question2)

    Is it correct behavior that output amplitud was changed by GUI setting(change freqeuncy setting)?

    (Question3)

    They want to check the output from gtx_8b10b_rxtx in the JESD204 IP

    They try to modify teh cooding as below,

    (* mark_debug = "true" *)     output  [31:0]  gt0_rxdata_out,

    However, they cannot see the data.

    Is there any method of checking the output from gtx_8b10b_rxtx in the JESD204 IP?

    They are considering teh debugging method.

    Thanks

    Muk

  • Hi Muk,

    Here are measurements done in the lab with the conditions above. 

    Regards,

    Neeraj

    RX_ DIV.pptx