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ADS124S08: Driving ADS124S08 with THP210

Part Number: ADS124S08
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: THP210, , ADS127L11, OPA2378

Tool/software:

Hello,

I want to drive ADS124S08 with THP210 FDA. Can you help me defining filtering elements at the ADCs inputs for differential input. 

  • Hi Metin Enes Yildirim,

    Of course we can help, but can you tell me why you want to drive the ADS124S08 with the THP210? The ADS124S08 has an integrated differential instrumentation amplifier, so the use of an FDA seems redundant.

    If you can tell us more about what you are trying to do, perhaps we can offer a different solution

    -Bryan

  • Hi Bryan, 

    The main reason for using THP210 instead of internal PGA is to provide a higher resolution and accuracy, I can share my circuit. I want to build a structure suitable for the FDA and ADC I will use.

  • Hi Metin Enes Yildirim,

    What are the noise and accuracy targets you are trying to hit? Keep in mind that the PGA inside the ADS124S08 was designed to work with (and only with) the ADC, so the PGA performance can be tailored as such. Conversely, the THP210 is a "general purpose" amplifier, in that it is not designed to work with any specific ADC. Therefore you might not get better performance with this device + ADS124S08

    Also, if you want to use an amplifier + ADC, why not use a device such as ADS127L11, which is a 1-ch, low noise, high accuracy ADC? We have this app note that describes the performance of the THP210 + ADS127L11: https://www.ti.com/lit/ab/sboa546/sboa546.pdf?ts=1742394503505&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.ti.com%252Fproduct%252FTHP210

    -Bryan

  • Hi, Bryan,

    Metin and I are working on this project together and he will be away for a few days. In our application we will need not 1 but 4 differential channels (there are 4 in the circuit below).

    Here we will take differential readings so that the ADC readings are not affected by input noise. The critical thing is that the input range is about 0 - 80 mV (sometimes negative values), so we need very low offset voltage and offset drift.

    In this application we match the 0 - 80 mV range to the 0 - 1600 W/m2 range. Our measurement accuracy needs to be better than 1% and our resolution better than 0.1 W/m2. So we also need high accuracy at values close to 0.

    With the following application, we think that we will be minimally affected by the noise and offset voltage at the input.

    We need a minimum cost solution to meet these requirements. If it would be correct to use the THP210 and ADC pair, can you help us to determine the ADC you will recommend and the filtering elements for it?

  • Hello again Bryan

    All resistor and capacitor values in the schematic are examples. Not calculated for actual gain and filters. Therefore, ignore them.

  • Hi Bekir KÖR,

    Thanks for providing this additional information

    Is the plan then to have 4x OPA2378 + 4x THP210 + 1x ADS124S08, since you said you need 4x differential channels? 

    Can you also tell us how quickly you need to sample all 4x inputs? For example, "I need to sample all 4x channels in 1ms". The faster you sample, the more noise you let into the system, so this has a direct relationship to the system precision

    Also, does your system bias the sensor, or is the sensor self biased? A self-biased sensor might be floating relative to your system (like a thermocouple for example), you would need some way to keep the sensor voltage within the range of signal chain. Since you are showing +/-2.5V supplies in your amplifier schematic, I assume the sensor absolute output voltage always fall within this range, and there is no common-mode difference between channels? 

    -Bryan

  • Hi Bryan

    The sensors are solar cells that are self-biased, floating with respect to the system ground and act as a current source. To convert the current into voltage, we place a shunt resistor across each solar cell.

    The system calculates the irradiance value (0 - 1600 W/m2) from the absolute output voltage of the shunt resistors (in the range 0 - 80 mV). All irradiance data is sent to the receiver 1 time per second using MODBUS RTU over RS485, so high-speed sampling is not necessary.

  • Hi Bekir KÖR,

    Since everything in your signal chain is 5V, and assuming the sensors can somehow be biased into the input range of the ADC, I would suggest just using the ADS124S08 directly. You can at least try this as a first option by using our EVM, and see if the performance is acceptable. Then of course you can increase the complexity if the EVM performance is insufficient. But I don't think you are going to get much more performance by using THP210 as opposed to the internal PGA

    I would encourage you to consider using the global chop feature in the ADS124S08. This features swaps the polarity of successive measurements, then averages them together, to reduce the offset (and offset drift). This can help improve the accuracy of your measurements, assuming the majority of the system offset is coming from the ADC+PGA

    -Bryan

  • Thanks Bryan
    Can you help with the filter elements and schematics for the application with ADS124S08 and its built-in PGA?

  • Hi Bekir KÖR,

    As mentioned, we have an EVM that is a built and tested solution. I would recommend getting an EVM and try measuring the signals to see if it meets your performance. The EVM user's guide includes the schematic, so you can just copy the schematic if the EVM suits your needs - there is no need to do any extra design work, unless of course you are not getting the necessary performance

    Here are some guidelines for selecting the anti-aliasing filter components for a low speed delta sigma ADC: https://e2e.ti.com/support/data-converters-group/data-converters/f/data-converters-forum/955466/faq-delta-sigma-adc-anti-aliasing-filter-component-selection

    -Bryan