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ADS1262EVM-PDK: out-of-the box EVM, getting positive rail faults on shorted input

Part Number: ADS1262EVM-PDK
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: ADS1263, ADS1262, ADCPRO, REG104

 

Just got my EVM, checked that all jumpers and switches set to defaults, tried to duplicate the noise on page 1 of the ADS1263 datasheet.

ADC1 only, shorted input at AIN0, 20Hz FIR, PGA bypass, no chop, internal ref at 2.5V. Also noise is much worse than I would have expected, histogram decidedly non-Gaussian.  Screen shots available at drive.google.com/.../view

  • Hi Patrick,

    Can you repost these images that you are referring to? We cannot access google drive folders due to the company's internal firewall. Perhaps you can place them in a Word doc or a PDF and attach that?

    When you perform a shorted input test, please ensure that the applied voltage to both pins is at mid-supply ([AVDD - AVSS] / 2). This is generally how the test is performed that yields the noise values you see in the datasheet

    Also, please be aware that any of the PGA rail flags should be ignored when the PGA is bypassed. The EVM GUI might show errors, but these are only relevant when the PGA is enabled.

    -Bryan

  • Thanks Bryan.  I've attached the Word files.  I'm at 0V shorted, midway between +2.5 and -2.5.   More problems however.  I thought my wall power supply might be dropping below 5V, so I plugged the MMBO into a 12VDC/3A wall supply.   I think I've smoked it -- no LEDs, no numeric output, ADC/Pro can's see it.  The label on the board says it wants 6V/500A, but your EVM user manual specs 5.5 to 15V min 500 mA (2.3.1.1 p8), and the revision history suggests that a change in wall power was made between the original EVM and Rev A in 2015 (p31).  My MMBO is labeled 6462011 Rev E  6462012 PWB D near the USB connector if that helps.  Could you please authorize a warranty replacement?  Still interested in your answers.Just got my evm.docx

  • Not sure the files went.  Resending.5241.Just got my evm.docx

  • Hi Patrick,

    From the ADCPro images you sent, it looks like the resulting voltage you are getting in the ADS1262 output is close to the offset voltage of the device (350uV typical). Can you try running an offset calibration first and see if the results improve? This is discussed in section 9.4.9 in the ADS1262 datasheet.

    Can you also post an image of the connections to the MMB0 board? You mention both a wall supply and +/-2.5V operation, which require different supplies to operate (the +/-2.5V supplies are generated from the +/-5V supplies connected to J14 - these supplies power the MMB0, not the wall supply). This is discussed in the first paragraph of section 2.3 as well as in subsection 2.3.2 in the ADS1262 EVM user's guide.

    -Bryan

  • Can't run calibration as my unit is deed as described in my last post.  I've attached the photo you requested.  I've checked all jumpers and switches and they are in the default configurations -- I haven't touched them.  

    i have not attached a bench external supply.  I was trying  to run from the internal supply as described  in 2.3.1,2.3.1.1, and 2.3.1.1.1.  The language is confusing.  2.3 and 2.3.1 both refer to a "single 5V supply". Section 2.3.1.1 specifies a 5.5-15V wall supply..  Which is it?  I tried 12V and smoked the EVM  How do i get my EVM replaced?

  • Hi Patrick,

    In my first reply to you I mentioned shorting the inputs to mid-supply, and in your response you said "I'm at 0V shorted, midway between +2.5 and -2.5". I assumed this meant you were using bipolar supplies at +/-2.5V. Now you are saying that is not the case, so can you please explain what you meant by this comment? Ideally if you are using a 5V supply you should be shorting both inputs to 2.5V.

    Also, what is the position of S2? The image you included is blurry, but it looks like it is set closer to the marking "4C", when it fact it should be moved to the other position for a unipolar 5V supply. Setting S2 to the "4C" sides sets the device to use a bipolar supply.

    I will look into your question about the EVM replacement. Have you checked the various test points across the board to see what, if anything, is still functioning?

    -Bryan

  • Bryan -- thanks.  I'd like to separate the two issues -- replacement under warranty and what I'm trying to do.

    1. Warranty.  I was trying to use a single wall supply, not an external bench supply.  2.3.1.1.1 says I should use a 5-15V  wall charger, and  I figured the MMBO would step any voltage in this range down to 5V.  I used a 12V supply and the board immediately died -- no LEDs on the MMBO, ADCPro can't see it.  When I picked it up, the back of the MMBO was painfully hot.  I suspect the daughter board might be OK (the "8" displays on the Nixie-tube) but don't know.  Do you agree that relying on your documentation entitles me to a warranty replacement?  If not, please let me know so I can order a second and appeal for a refund elsewhere.  I need to get the project moving.
    2.  What I was trying to do.  I was trying to use an internal supply just to check functionality.  I left all jumpers and switches in their default positions -- S2 is definitely in the default (left) position.  I've reattached my earlier screen shots, which show the reference page on ADCPro -- Internal ref selected, 2.5 V (the only choice).  I assumed (maybe falsely) that the monopolar 5V supply had been offset to bipolar  plus or minus 2.5.  If I was wrong, and it was monopolar 2.5, that would certainly explain the rail violations.  3480.Just got my evm.docx
    Thanks
  • Hi Patrick,

    1. I will address this question with you offline. But in general, the MMB0 can handle a 12V input as you described it, via the wall supply. The output from the wall supply is sent to TI's REG104, an LDO that can support a VIN of up to 15V. The REF104 output voltage in this case is 5V. You can review the MMB0 schematic here: https://e2e.ti.com/support/data-converters/f/73/p/775258/2868385#2868385
    2. In order to use a bipolar supply, you would need to connect external supplies +/-5V supplies to the MMB0 board via J14, as described on page 10 of the user's guide. In this case, you would not use the wall supply. However, you had mentioned that you only connected the 12V wall supply, not any additional external supplies, so then the supply to the ADC (AVDD) is 5V unipolar. Assuming all of the switches / jumpers / etc. are in their default positions, the EVM should have worked as expected at this point. Also note that the internal VREF is 2.5V, so if you wanted to use a higher VREF voltage e.g. 5V, you would need to select external VREF in the ADCPro menu as well as the appropriate REFP/REFN input pair.

    -Bryan

  • 1.  I don't know what went wrong, but i plugged in a 12V 3A wall adaptor and the MMBO smoked.  It was working earlier with a 5V supply.  I changed no jumpers, and did nothing else.  I'd like to return it under warranty.

    2.  I didn't send the FSR reference screen shot (and can't now) but it showed -2.5 to 2.5.  

     

  • Sorry, I should have said FSR Scope not reference.

  • Hi Patrick,

    Using the internal VREF (2.5V), the input range on the ADC is +/-VREF/gain. So, for G = 1, this is +/-2.5V. However, this is not related to the absolute input voltages the ADC can accept, but the differential input voltage (Vdiff) the ADC sees, where Vdiff = AINP - AINN. So, if AINP = 2.5V and AINN = 0V, then Vdiff = 2.5V. If AINN = 2.5V and AINP = 0V, then Vdiff = -2.5V. Note that all of the input voltages in this scenario are positive with respect to ground. This is what the +/-2.5V range means

    If you wanted to measure an input signal below GND, then you would need to use bipolar supplies (or you could use some external conditioning circuitry).

    I hope this helps explain what is intended by the ADC input range and supply range

    -Bryan