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TUSB9261 documentation, clock and power

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"1)  In section 2.2 of the TUSB9261 implementation guide, it discusses both an “analog 1.1V (VDDA11)” and “analog 3.3V (VDDA33)” supplies. 

 

……………..In the datasheet, there is no analog 1.1V supply listed.  Which document is correct?

 

2)  Section 2.2 also states that bypass caps for the analog 1.1 and 3.3  supplies should return to the VSSA Pin.

 

………………In the datasheet, there is no VSSA pin listed.  Is pin 44 or pin 58 the VSSA pin perhaps?

 

 

Reference copied below

 

2.2 1.1-V and 3.3-V Analog Supplies

A Pi filter is recommended on all analog power terminals to minimize circuit noise. These filters can be

combined on a per-rail basis for a total of two (VDDA11/VDDA11_USB2) + (VDDA33).

 

Analog power terminals must have a 1-μF and a 10-μF bypass capacitor connected to VSSA (ground) to

ensure proper operation. Place the capacitor as close as possible to the associated terminal to minimize

trace length. Smaller value capacitors such as 0.1-μF and 0.01-μF are also recommended on the analog

supply terminals.

 

3)  In the schematics on page 13 of the implementation guide, there is a filtered version of 1.1V created, called USB2_1P1V.  I do not see it connected anywhere.  What is that used for?

 

4)  In the schematics on page 13 of the implementation guide, there is a filtered version of 1.8V created, called VDDA_1P8V.  The oscillator appears to run off the board_1P8V supply.   What is that used for VDDA_1P8V used for?

 

5)  On page 12 of the schematics in the implementation guide, it shows pins 44 and 58 as NC2 and NC3.   In the spec, these are ground.  I assume those are ground pins and just tie to the ground plane of the board?

 

6)  Also, does TI recommend any of the choices of 20, 25, 30, or 40MHz clock input options as having better performance than any other frequency?  (PPL range, temperature performance….etc)

 

7)  In the TUSB9261 datasheet for the part it states:

“XI should be tied to the 1.8-V clock source and XO should be left floating.”

With Vih = 1.05 and Vil = 0.7, I would assume this to be a 1.8V CMOS type oscillator.

 

In the TUSB9261 Implementation guide for the part on page 10 (figure 4),  the clock is shown driven from a 3.3V oscillator.  Considering that TI went to the trouble to get rid of the 1.8V supply in making the 9261 from the 9260, I can see why a 3.3V oscillator would be nice to use.

 

So, which is correct?  Does it need a 1.8v or 3.3v oscillator, and with what drive type (CMOS, TTL….)?"

Thanks,

Tim Starr on behalf of MS.B

  • Hello Tim,

    Thank you for your comments, we are reviewing these items. We will come back to you shortly.

    Regards.

    Elias V.

  • Please find some of the answers below:

    1) Implementation guide is wrong, there is no analog 1.1V

    2)Yes, pins 44 and 58 are ground signals.

    ...

    ...

    5) Yes, those are ground pins and must be connected.

    6) Any of the supported frequency is recommended, as long as it meets the specification (jitter, V,etc.) For reference, the Demo board uses a 40MHz crystal.

    7) Use a 1.8V CMOS.

     

     

  • Thanks Elias-

    Follow up to question 5: "

    I understand pins 44 and 58 are grounds.  Which ground pins should the bypass caps on the 3.3V analog supply return to?"

    Also a new question (#8): "

    In the implementation guide below, it states to use a 1/20 W resistor or greater for the USB calibrator.  What is the purpose of the 1/20 watt?

     

    I could not find in the datasheet the voltage seen at that pin.  However, if I assume it is the max voltage of the chip of 3.3v, and take that voltage squared over 10000 ohms, that would only be 1/1000th of a watt.  The smaller I make the resistor, the closer I can get it to the chip to minimize the lead length.  So what drives the 1/20th watt requirement?

     

    11 Precision Reference Return Resistor

    The TUSB9261 requires an external precision reference return resistor. This resistor is part of the USB2.0

    PHY core used for internal calibration. A 10-kΩ, ±1% (1/20 W or greater) precision resistor should be

    placed between terminals USB_R1 and USB_R1RTN. This resistor should be placed no further than

    500 mils from the two terminals.

    "

    Regards, -Tim

     

  • Hi Tedd,

    Folow up 5: You can tie together pins 44&58 and use them as the return path.

    8) This is required to meet the "Short circuit withstand" specification when a hot insertion/removal occurs.

    Regards.

  • Hi Elias-

    Regarding (8), we don't understand the answer to the resitor rating. Please xplain this requirement and how it affects the overrating of the resistor.

    Thanks, -Tim

  • When a USB device is in SUSPEND mode and configured as a high power device, it can draw up to 2.5mA.

    The maximum voltage a USB device can receive is 5.25V.

    This resistor is used to set the current driver when the device is in suspend mode:  2.5mA * 5.25V = 13.25mW, when selecting a resistor, it is recommended to select one with dissipating capabilities  two or more times the calculated power.

    The exact value of 1/20 W is design team choice based on the respective release test process, but you can see it is not too much higher than needed.

    Regards.

    You can see the section 7.1, 7.2 and 7.3 of the USB 2.0 Base Specification for more information.

  • Hi Elias-

    This still doesn't make any sense. The only way a 10K Ohm resistor can draw 2.5mA is to put 25V across it, right? The specification for how much the USB device can draw is irrelevant to the resistor rating, no?

    -Tim

  • Tim,

    What type of resistor so you want to use?  This resistor is critical for the HS USB to work properly so unless you have to you should not deviate from the recommendations.

    -wes

  • The customer may want to use a 0201 size resistor. Need to give a valid engineering reason why he can not. So far no luck with this answer!