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TLIN1441-Q1: Interface forum

Part Number: TLIN1441-Q1
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TLIN1431-Q1
  1. pin mode:

 

From datasheet, we can see pin mode watchdog will be window mode. If WDT=GND, the total window will be min =32ms, norm=40ms, and max=48ms.

If use norm=40ms as reference, then we can see that window tolerance will be +/-20%. 40ms*(1-20%)=32ms and 40ms*(1+20%)=48ms.

 

 

  1. SPI mode:

 

Page 34, it says the internal oscillator with a +/-10% accuracy range. But when it calculates the minimum/maximum closed or open window time, it actually uses 10% of total window and another 10% of half window. We can see that 64ms*(1-10%)= 57.6ms, 64ms*(1+10%)=70.4ms. For closed/open window, max = 70.4ms/2=35.2ms, min=57.6ms/2-64ms*10%=28.8ms-6.4ms=22.4ms . this 22.4ms is not from half of the 10% tolerance of 64ms. The half of 10% of 64ms = 28.8ms.

 

  1. why do the pin mode and the SPI mode have different tolerance for window time? do they use different method internally?

 

 

  1. the below is the diagram for window timing. We set it to pin mode with 32ms~48ms window timing,

My calculation is that we need send WDI trigger at 28ms+/-4ms, which means that we need change WDI high/low state every 24ms~32ms to keep no watchdog reset. Am I right?

 

 

 

  1. the graphic showing our plan for WDI trigger event timing diagram based on my understanding.

Please confirm if my calculation and plan for 32ms~48ms pin mode setting is correct. Thanks so lot!

 

 

 

  1. watchdog won’t activate until the first watchdog pulse is serviced. Does this mean that the chip stays at the force normal mode before the first watchdog pulse is serviced and We don’t need worry about the watchdog reset during SW development before SW is ready to service watchdog pulse?

 

  1. how to handle the watchdog service during the CAN reflash? If item 6 answer is yes, then we don’t need worry about watchdog service as long as the flash memory can be erased within watchdog window time 24ms ( our instance safe window 24ms~32ms as above ) .
  • Lynn,

    The TLIN1441-Q1 uses the same oscillator in pin and SPI modes. The electrical characteristics show a wider range that, when designing to, will ensure design robustness. This is why you might see some wider ranges on max/min values in the electrical characteristics in general.

    My calculation is that we need send WDI trigger at 28ms+/-4ms, which means that we need change WDI high/low state every 24ms~32ms to keep no watchdog reset. Am I right?

    Yes, this is correct. Theoretically outside of this window you could possibly see a watchdog trigger, though it is much more likely once you get closer to 10% tolerance rather than 20% tolerance (which you calculated).

    Watchdog will not be active until the first trigger. Before this first trigger, it will operate otherwise normally. So if EN = high, it should be in Normal mode. This should allow your flashing as long as watchdog is not triggered during flashing.

    Please also consider the TLIN1431-Q1, which is a newer LIN SBC. It is not pin-to-pin, but it is a superset of the TLIN1441-Q1.

    Best,

    Danny

  • Thanks, Danny!

    WDI trigger window is 24ms~32ms. it's safe for normal operating if software keeps toggling a pulse at 30ms low/30ms high rate. i tried to, but couldn't to upload an image to here.

  • if you go to customer support case# :CS1657013, you should be able to see the images.

  • is TLIN1431-Q1 ASIL B grade part?

  • Lynn,

    Sorry for any confusion, but this is not associated with the customer support team. We don't have much visibility into those cases.

    Triggering every 30 ms should be acceptable.

    There are no ASIL ratings for individual ICs. ASIL B can be achieved at a system level. Regarding functional safety, though, the TLIN1441-Q1 was released before the Functional Safety categorizations were developed. Devices like TLIN1431-Q1 which are Functional Safety Quality-Managed come with additional documentation like FIT information, functional safety manual, and FMEDA which aid in designing ASIL systems.

    Best,

    Danny

  • Thanks so lot, Danny!

    you've answered all my questions regarding to watchdog. thanks again.