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THVD1420: Fail safe

Part Number: THVD1420

Hi,

I know THVD1420 has built in failsafe function.

Is it okay if the customer connects redundant external fail-safe resistors?

The following resistors are connected to the bus terminals of the existing circuit.
A: Pull-up 4.7k
B: Pull-down 4.7k

I don't see a problem with redundant failsafe resistors, but if it's better to remove them, please let me know why.

Best regards,
Hiroshi

  • External fail-safe resistors imrpove the noise margin when the bus is idle, but also increase power consumption.

  • Hi Hiroshi-san,

    Clemens is correct - adding additional external failsafe resistors improve the noise margin at the cost of additional power consumption. 

    It is generally advised to just add one pair of external fail-safe resistors - i.e. one pull down at B and one pull up on A as these will help bias the entire bus. 

    The only thing that should be taken into consideration when sizing the resistors is the common mode loading - i.e if you short every voltage source except the driver and remove the termination resistor - the common mode loading is the impedance between A or B and GND.  This value should be no less than 375 Ohms. The THVD1420 will also load the bus - since this is a 1/8th unit load device we can approximate its input impedance as 96K Ohms

    This ends up just being the formula : 

    Where R_TRX = 96k 

    R_FS = 4.7k

    N = the number of THVD1420 IC's on the bus

    M = the total number of fail-safe resistors / 2 --> so the suggested value of M = 1 for external fail-safes as that is 1 resistor on A and 1 on B - if you increase that to 2 on each line than M will increase to 2. 

    This equation assumes all fail-safe resistors will be the same size - which is recommended.

    If RCM >= 375 then there is no concern. 

    Please let me know if you have any other questions!

    Best,

    Parker Dodson

  • Parker-san, Clemens-san,
    Thank you for the details.