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DP83TG720S-Q1: DP83TG720S: Internal Temperature Sensor

Part Number: DP83TG720S-Q1
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: DP83TG720EVM-MC

Hi all,

we're evaluating the DP83TG720S-Q1 PHY with the DP83TG720EVM-MC evaluation module.

When reading the internal voltage & temperature sensors, we get realistic values for voltages, but implausible values for the temperatures.

We're calculating the temperature according the the formulas and values from the datasheet:

We captured temperature register values from -20C to 120C ambient temperature.

When we calculate Tj according to the formula and values from the datasheet (Tj1 / blue in the picture), we get implausible results.

It's unrealistic that:

  • at Ta = -20 C, Tj is at -44 C: Tj can't be below ambient temperature
  • at Ta = 120 C, Tj is at 166 C: with about 600 mW dissipation and RtJA=33 C/W, junction should be about 20 C above ambient, not 46 C

The calculated slope of the blue trendline is very close to 1.5, while the expected slope should be closer to 1.0 - since the power dissipation is almost static the junction temperature should rise at the same rate as the ambient temperature.

Is it possible that the slope_temperature_sensor = 1.5 from the datasheet is wrong, and that the correct value should be 1.0?

When we calculate Tj with slope_temperature_sensor = 1, we get much more realistic results. See Tj2 / orange in the picture above.

  • Hi Felix,

    I will have to check with our design team and get back to you.

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    Regards,
    Gokul.

  • Hi Felix,

    We have seen this deviation on temperature sensor at higher and lower temperatures. The slope is expected to be different from 1.5 and is expected to be close to 1 which you are observing.
    Having the slope of 1 means that the maximum ambient temperature which is supported by the sensor is below 125C and is expected to be close to 100-105C.

    We are currently trying to understand the reasons and looking at solutions to this problem.

    Can you please let us know if it is a deal breaker for you if the temperature sensor is not used on DP83TG720? If so, would like to evaluate our pin-2-pin part DP83TG721 where the range of temperature sensor is greater than 125C.

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    Regards,
    Gokul.

  • Hi Gokul,

    the unreliable temperature sensor is not a deal breaker for us, but it complicates our evaluation of the chip over the full temperature range as we cannot reliably measure the die temperature. Please keep us informed about any solutions/workarounds to get an accurate die temperature.

    Regarding the DP83TG721: I cannot find any information about the chip, what are the differences to the DP83TG720S?

    Regards, Felix

  • Hi Felix,

    I reached out to you over personal message.

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    Regards,
    Gokul.