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DS320PR822: max signal level with no distortion

Part Number: DS320PR822

Tool/software:

Hello team,

What is maximum input level or output level that can be accepted by DS320PR822 with free of distortion? 

Is it the LINEARITY-DC and LINEARITY-AC specification?

If above is true, it is typ spec but we can consider it is maximum level?

if my understanding is wrong, please let me know definition of the spec or provide any good document which explains it?

Best regards,

  • Hi Taketo-san,

    My understanding is that the "LINEARITY-DC" specification shows the maximum DC level of the input signal that the redriver is comfortable operating with, and the "LINEARITY-AC" specification shows the maximum AC swing of the input signal that the redriver is comfortable operating with in the internal circuits and can reproduce on its output drivers. So exceeding the DC or AC linearity specifications can lead to signal distortion. The "Typ" values in the datasheet can be understood as the maximum allowed values when designing a system.

    Best,

    Evan Su

  • Hello Evan-san,

    Thank you for the comment.

    My understanding is that the "LINEARITY-DC" specification shows the maximum DC level of the input signal that the redriver is comfortable operating with, and the "LINEARITY-AC" specification shows the maximum AC swing of the input signal that the redriver is comfortable operating with in the internal circuits and can reproduce on its output drivers.

    According to above, LINEARITY-DC and LINEARITY-AC specs are for "input" level spec?

    If so, could you let me know also max allowed value for output level?

    Best regards,

  • Hi Taketo-san,

    According to above, LINEARITY-DC and LINEARITY-AC specs are for "input" level spec?

    If so, could you let me know also max allowed value for output level?

    I don't think we have this complete data. The linearity specifications are measured with the output driver set to the default 0 dB gain with no amplification or attenuation, in this condition I believe it can be concluded that the useful output levels (output signal does not have distortion compared to the input signal) are not higher than the LINEARITY-AC and LINEARITY-DC values.

    Best,

    Evan Su

  • Hello Evan-san,

    Thanks for the comment. I understand the case of 0dB gain.

    In case we dont use 0dB gain, in the case also, Should we limit both input and output levels to be within the level of specified LINEARITY-DC and LINEARITY-AC, regardless of EQ gain setting?

    I want to know linear range of both input and output level, regardless of gain setting.

    For example, with setting of EQ=19 for about 20dB gain at 20GHz, must its input be less than 70mVpp to keep within output to be 700mVpp for linearity operation? or output can swing more without distortion in this case?

    Best regards,

  • Hi Taketo-san,

    For example, with setting of EQ=19 for about 20dB gain at 20GHz, must its input be less than 70mVpp to keep within output to be 700mVpp for linearity operation? or output can swing more without distortion in this case?

    The dB gain given for the EQ settings is different from the dB gain of the output driver. The EQ amplifiers are specifically designed to amplify at high frequencies for the purpose of signal conditioning, and their dB gain measurements are taken at PCIe signal frequencies such as 16 GHz and 8 GHz. The output driver is the last amplifier on the device signal path and is intended to have a flat response, which is why its gain does not need to be associated with a frequency.

    The linearity measurements are only taken for the output driver, hence why I said "output driver set to the default 0 dB gain" (there is no EQ setting with 0 dB gain at signal frequencies). Therefore when interpreting the linearity data we need to carefully review the relationship to EQ.

    The DC linearity specification is measured at 100 MHz to represent low frequency signals, we can consider that the EQ (main effects are in GHz range) is basically unrelated. The AC linearity is measured at 8 MHz and therefore has a potential relationship to the EQ: if the input signal to the redriver were to be a perfect 8 GHz sine wave, the EQ will directly increase its amplitude by the gain at 8 GHz, and it is possible that the amplification would lead to the expected output swing exceeding the AC linearity specification. In this theoretical situation I think there would be output distortion. However in practical applications the input would not be a perfect 8 GHz sine wave, instead there would be components at other frequencies that contribute to the total signal swing, so the actual relationship between the EQ setting and the AC linearity bounds is difficult to predict.

    In case it helps to know, I have not worked on a customer project where it was necessary to perform fine calculations of linearity; the very high EQ settings such as EQ 19 that would be likely to cause linearity issues on the output are rarely ever used in practice, and input signals to the redriver that require signal conditioning should already have degraded content from insertion loss, so their AC and DC levels are not very likely to exceed the specifications.

    Best,

    Evan Su