TL16C752D: Has the TL16C752B/754B errata been fixed in the TL16C752D?

Part Number: TL16C752D
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TL16C754B, TL16C754C

Tool/software:

Hello guys,

One of our customers is using the TL16C752D. When they use the TL16C752D,
they sometimes encounter an phenomenon similar to No.3. problem
("The TL16C752B(54B) can clear the just set THRE interrupt condition
if the IIR read is coincident with the THRE setting.") of the following errata.
TL16C752B Errata
www.ti.com/.../sllz049.pdf
TL16C754B Errata
www.ti.com/.../sllz048.pdf
At this moment, they have the following questions about the TL16C752D.
Could you please give me your reply?
1. Has this TL16C752B/754B errata been fixed in the TL16C752D and TL16C754C?
2. What is the value read from the IIR when the errata phenomenon occurs? Is it IIR[5:0] 0x01?
3. If it is difficult to implement the "Work Around: Read only the IIR that corresponds
    to the channel that generated the interrupt", are there any other workarounds?

Your reply would be much appreciated.

Best regards,
Kazuya.

  • Hi Kazuya,

    I'll try to get back to you on this by the end of the week. 

    -Bobby

  • Hi Bobby,

    Thank you very much for your reply.

    I see. I'll wait for your update.

    Thank you again and best regards,
    Kazuya.

  • Hi Bobby,

    Could you please give me your progress?

    Thank you again and best regards,
    Kazuya.

  • Hi Kazuya,

    Sorry I didn't get back to you last week. 

    I'm still trying to work with the design engineer for the D version of this device. 

    But I can provide what I think:

    1. Has this TL16C752B/754B errata been fixed in the TL16C752D and TL16C754C?

    This is what I'm trying to clarify with designer now.

    2. What is the value read from the IIR when the errata phenomenon occurs? Is it IIR[5:0] 0x01?

    I think you should read the time out code unless the RHR threshold is met. 

    3. If it is difficult to implement the "Work Around: Read only the IIR that corresponds
        to the channel that generated the interrupt", are there any other workarounds?

    I also think if you set the RX trigger threshold and use the IIR to look for the RHR interrupt, then you can still work around the issue by keeping the INT latched when the RHR interrupt occurs. 

    -Bobby

  • Hi Kazuya,

    The designer got back to me and he doesn't think the errata that was in B for what you're asking about was fixed as he thinks this is expected behavior. 

    -Bobby

  • Hi Bobby,

    Thank you very much for your checking.

    Please let me confirm.

    My understanding is that the errata has not been fixed. Is my understanding correct?

    Thank you again and best regards,
    Kazuya.  

  • My understanding is that the errata has not been fixed. Is my understanding correct?

    Yes, that is my understanding as well. I don't think the new designers considered this a bug but rather expected behavior.

    -Bobby

  • Hi Bobby,

    Thank you very much for your strong supports.

    Please let me confirm again about Q1 and could you give me your answer to Q2 and Q3?

    About Q1.
    Again, is the following my understanding correct to the customer No.1 question?
    (Customer question No.1: TL16C752B/754B errata been fixed in the TL16C752D and TL16C754C?)

    My understanding: The errata of the TL16C752B was recognized as expected behavior by TI and has not been fixed.

    About Q2.
    You replied for their question No.2 was that I think you should read the time out code unless the RHR threshold is met.
    Could you tell me the mean of "RHR threshold"?

    What is the action if RHR threshold is met?

    Is the value read from the IIR when the errata phenomenon occurs unknown? Is it not IIR[5:0] 0x01?

    About Q3.

    You answered to Q3 that I also think if you set the RX trigger threshold and use the IIR to look for the RHR interrupt, then you can still work around the issue by keeping the INT latched when the RHR interrupt occurs.

    Could you please give me how to keep the INT latched when the RHR interrupt occurs?

    Thank you again and best regards,
    Kazuya.

  • Could you tell me the mean of "RHR threshold"?

    What is the action if RHR threshold is met?

    IIR = 000100 and RXRDY goes low, you would need to wait for this to occur to see the interrupt 

    Is the value read from the IIR when the errata phenomenon occurs unknown? Is it not IIR[5:0] 0x01?

    Yes, you would see 0x01 since an interrupt isn't there. 

    You could read LSR0 to see if RX data is present.

    Could you please give me how to keep the INT latched when the RHR interrupt occurs?

    This should happen when your RX trigger threshold is met which you can set in FCR 7:6. 

    -Bobby

  • Hi Bobby,

    Thank you very much for your strong supports.

    Could I ask you the following questions?

    Q1.
    We understand that TL16C752B Errata No.3 has been not fixed on TL16C752D.
    TL16C752B Errata says about No.3 "The TL16C752B can clear the just set
    THRE interrupt condition if the IIR read is coincident to the THRE setting.
    Since IIR reads are generally asynchronous with respect to the THRE setting,
    the possibility exists for this problem to occur, although it is unlikely."

    The customer think that since errata No. 3 has not been fixed, the TL16C752D datasheet
    should explain this phenomenon and countermeasure in the device datasheet.
    But they couldn't find it.
    Is that explanation written in the datasheet?

    Q2.
    I'm sorry again to ask you same question because I couldn't understand the countermeasure you explained.

    "if you set the RX trigger threshold and use the IIR to look for the RHR interrupt,
    then you can still work around the issue by keeping the INT latched when the RHR interrupt occurs."

    Could you please tell me the actions I should do with step by step? 

    Your reply would be much appreciated.

    Thank you again and best regards,
    Kazuya Nakai.

  • Hi Bobby,

    Thank you very much for your strong supports.

    The customer wants TI to answer to the following questions as additional.
    Could you please reply?

    Q1.
    Is it possible for this erratum to occur even if an interrupt with a higher priority than the transmit interrupt, such as a receive trigger level interrupt, is occurring?

    Q2.
    If an IIR reading, a transmit interrupt, and a receive interrupt occur simultaneously, will the transmit interrupt be cleared?

    Your reply would be much appreciated.

    Thank you again and best regards,
    Kazuya.

  • Hi Bobby,

    Thank you very much for your strong supports.

    I need your reply.
    Could you please give me your update?

    Thank you again and best regards,
    Kazuya.