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TUSB4041I: TUSB4041I not setting the PWRCTL1..4/BATEN1..4 outputs correctly upon reset deassertion

Frank Rothoff
Expert 6600 points

Part Number: TUSB4041I
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LP3961, TPS2052C, LP3981

Hi team,

I struggle to help my customer here as I don't have expertise on USB, see following description from customer:

For some reason, this device is not setting the PWRCTL1..4/BATEN1..4 outputs correctly upon reset deassertion. These pins are pulled-up for active high control of power switches. I have a feeling that the device is not initializing properly. The power-on reset is 193mS delayed from the 3.3V power.

The 3.3V ramp up time is 0.9mS while the 1.1V ramp up time is 114uS. The required ramp up time is 0.2mS min on both. I am violating the 1.1V ramp up time. Would this cause the device not to set to default values as shown on some critical inputs?

 

I requested waveforms VDD, VDD33 and GRSTz, see below. Please let me know which further questions to ask?

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3V3 blue waveform is actually Vin of 3V3 LDO LP3961 which is very fast, so I don't see a direct issue here in the ~200ms range.

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Regards,

Frank

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    TI__Guru 61426 points

    Hi Frank,

    Some questions:

    Frank Rothoff said:
    For some reason, this device is not setting the PWRCTL1..4/BATEN1..4 outputs correctly upon reset deassertion.

    What is the expected behavior of these pins for the customer? What is the status of PWRCTL_POL? Can the customer share a full pdf schematic?

    Can the customer share a waveform of the PWRCTL signals?

    Frank Rothoff said:
    These pins are pulled-up for active high control of power switches.

    What is the PUP value used here?

    Frank Rothoff said:

    The power-on reset is 193mS delayed from the 3.3V power.

    The 3.3V ramp up time is 0.9mS while the 1.1V ramp up time is 114uS. The required ramp up time is 0.2mS min on both. I am violating the 1.1V ramp up time. Would this cause the device not to set to default values as shown on some critical inputs?

    The power up waveform should look as follows:

    The GRSTZ pin looks to a an actively controlled signal, so VDD does not need to be stable before VCC. 

    We do see that the supply ramps up faster than the minimum spec of 0.2ms. Can the customer share both supplies and reset waveforms on one capture.

    Is the customer using SMBUS mode, I2C mode, or is SMBUSz floating? 

  • 0 in reply to Vishesh Pithadiya
    TI__Guru 61426 points

    Hi Frank,

    Can we keep all communication on E2E? I am not allowed to provide technical support over email.

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    TI__Expert 6600 points

    Sure we can keep it over E2E, however who ordered to only communicate over E2E?

    Additional info customer:

    Here is the partial schematic showing the TUSB4041 configuration.

  • 0 in reply to Vishesh Pithadiya
    TI__Guru 61426 points
    Vishesh Pithadiya said:

    We do see that the supply ramps up faster than the minimum spec of 0.2ms. Can the customer share both supplies and reset waveforms on one capture.

    Is the customer using SMBUS mode, I2C mode, or is SMBUSz floating? 

    Vishesh Pithadiya said:
    Can the customer share a waveform of the PWRCTL signals?

    Can the customer share these waveforms? 

    What does the customer expect to see on the PWRL_CTL pins?

  • 0 in reply to Vishesh Pithadiya
    TI__Guru 61426 points

    Hello,

    Closing thread due to inactivity. If you have any follow-up questions or concerns, feel free to reply.

    Customer:

    I am back on debugging the TUSB4041 power up issue. Just to remind.. TUSB4041 IC was disabling the TPS2052C (+5V power switches) from providing power to the loads on power up. Note these enable lines are pulled up to +3.3V, but the TUSB4041 is pulling them down low on power up. The following is the power on sequence.

     

     

    +3.3V LDO (LP3981) is powering the +1.1V LDO (TLV71211). Power on sequence looks to be okay, but the problem I think is with the +1.1V regulator. It is only capable of 300mA. On Global Reset, TUSB4041 requires anywhere between 322mA to 370mA.  I think we might be seeing a power related issue where the TUSB4041 cannot initialize all the registers, appropriately. I am seeing one port (Port A) being enabled, consistently while the other 3 ports are in disabled mode. I am thinking if I replaced the TLV71211 with a high-powered device, we might be able to initialize the TUSB4041, appropriately.

    Let me know what you think.

    Comment Vishes:

    Yes, replacing the 3.3V to 1.1V converter to a higher current rated part may resolve the issue.

     

    On out TUSB4041I- EVM we use the TPS74801RGW as our 3.3V to 1.1V converter. This may be a good place to start.