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TLK2711A: Alternative Device to be used with existing design using TLK2711

Part Number: TLK2711A
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TLK2501, TLK10031, TLK6201EA

Hello Team,

We are aware that TLK2711/TLK2711A is marked as NRND/Lifebuy and should not be considered for new designs.

Customer needs to design a transmitter to connect to the receive side of an existing design with TLK2711. The existing receiver uses one of two inputs and the second one connected to GND through 50 Ohms resistor.

Couple of questions from customer:-

  • What is the max distance can be achieved for reliable transmission at 2.0-2.7 Gbps with a single coax and alternatively a couple coax cables with TLK2711?
  • What is the device could be used to convert the serial 2.0-2.7 Gbps data from Altera FPGA (serdes) to be compatible to TLK2711 single ended coax input at max distance about 15 meters?
  • In addition to the component in a NRND If you have an alternative component that could replace the TLK2711 from one side and can work in collaboration to TLK2711 in the other side .

Best regards,

Mizanur

Central Apps/EMEA

  • Hi Mizanur,

    For the maximum distance the device can drive, depends not only on the cable and connectors but also on the amount the jitter the application can tolerate. Is important to mention that the TLK2711A has built-in pre-emphasis feature to compensate for AC losses when driving a cable or PCB backplane trace over a long distance (5% & 20%).

    Please take a look into the attached app note to get a good reference regarding the transmission distance this class of device is capable of for a given type of cable. The application note data was collected with the Cat-5 cable rather than twix-ax. In general, twin-ax can be considered a higher grade cable and probably capable of achieving longer transmission distances with all other things being equal.

    www.ti.com/.../slla091.pdf

    Best Regards,
    Luis Omar Moran
    High Speed Interface
    SWAT Team
  • Hello Luis,

    Thanks for your prompt response.

    Best regards,

    Mizanur

  • Hi Luis,

    Thank you for your inputs,

    1. I would like to know if the customer could use TLK2501  http://www.ti.com/product/tlk2501 as alternative to TLK2711 ( TLK2711 from one side and can work in collaboration to TLK2501 in the other side)?
    2. Please provide an application note for single coax cable communication between a couple TLK2711 devices (or transmitter could be the newest substitution).

      The receive side of the existed design uses just one of two inputs (positive as instance) and the second one connected to GND through 50 Ohms resistor. We need to design a transmit side to interconnect with the client's existed equipment.

      Is it feasible?

      Do you have any application note or recommendations on this?

    Additional clarification: TLK2711A is AC coupled on the receive side. So the N-input is connected to GND through capacitor and 50 Ohm resistor in series and P-input receives the signal through single ended coax cable.

    Thanks in advance

    BR

    Shai Berman

  • Hello Shai,

    1. Yes, theTLK2501 should be work with the TLK2711, just keep on mind the RX inputs requires external resistors in comparisson with the TLK2711 RX inputs that have built-in these resistors (internally).

    2. It is differential signal, so it should use shielded twisted pair or two coax cable. But it is obvious that a shielded twisted pair is cheap. Please let me verify if someone implemented a single coax connection in the past.

    Best Regards,

    Luis 

  • Hi Luis,

    Thank you for your time and effort,
    Please let me know if there is anything new, thanks in advance.

    Best Regards,
    Shai Berman
  • Hi Luis,

    There is any update regarding implemented a single coax connection?

    Thanks and Regards,

    Shai Berman

  • Hello Shai,

    1. Whether it is possible/recommended to use single coax connection between the TLK211A (at legacy system they need to interface with) and the TLK2501 ?
    Has any customer been using such configuration in the past ? Can we give any recommendation regarding this configuration ?

    As I mentioned before, TLK2711A/2501 has differential high speed I/O therefore it will require twin-axial cable or another type of twisted pair cable such as cat-5/6 twisted pair. In the past some customers wanted to use a single coax connection but it is not possible since these devices requires a differential signal.

    2. As the TLK2501 is SerDes (parallel to serial) and they want to interface it to their FPGA they’re very interesting if we have any serial (Differential) to serial (Differential) transceiver that will be compatible with the TLK211A ?
    In the TLK devices we do not have a device that supports serial to serial and compatible with the TLK2711A. We have device such as TLK10xxx family (TLK10031/232/034), that are able to receive a serial signal and provide a serial signal, but the coding is 64b/66b (10G).

    Best Regards,
    Luis Omar Moran
    High Speed Interface
    SWAT Team
  • Hello, 

    I have asked before about  any repeater / equalizer device up to 2Gbps that has the same line driving capabilities like TLK2711:

    "built-in pre-emphasis feature to compensate for AC losses when driving a cable or PCB backplane trace over a long distance (5% & 20%)".

     

    I am looking for a single serial-to-serial  line driver (VML ?)  without 8B/10B encoding – just repeater with built-in pre-emphasis feature suitable to TLK2711 receiver.

    All serializing and 8B/10B coding can be done in FPGA transceivers before the line driver.

    The receiver must be TLK2711 of TI (existed equipment) but transmitter can be any compatible device even of other manufacturers.

    Additionally, since our TLK2711 receiver is AC coupled could you recommend a PECL level repeater (serial-to-serial) with built-in pre-emphasis feature suitable to TLK2711 receiver (our physical link is up to 15 meters length)

     

    The following is from TLK2711 Data Sheet:

    "The high-speed data output driver consists of a voltage mode logic (VML) differential pair optimized for a 50 Ohm impedance environment. The magnitude of the differential pair signal swing is compatible with pseudo emitter coupled logic (PECL) levels when ac-coupled. The line can be directly-coupled or ac-coupled. Refer to Figure 11 and Figure 12 for termination details. The outputs also provide preemphasis to compensate for ac loss when driving a cable or PCB backplane trace over a long distance (see Figure 4). The level of preemphasis is controlled by PRE as shown in Table 2 .

    Please advise?

    What about a CML buffer/driver instead of VML or PECL.

    There is pre-emphasis and the same output voltage 800mV like VML/PECL. This option is not mentioned in TLK2711 data sheet.

    Please check the proposal.

    If it's OK please recommend a suitable device and provide the schematic draft.

    Thanks in advance.

    Shai Berman 

  • HI Shai,

    Sorry for the delayed response. Please take a look into the TLK6201EA (6.25Gbps Equalizer). In this case you should adjust the terminations between both devices since handle different level volages. Attached you will find an application note that describes how implement this kind of adjust between different interfaces.

    www.ti.com/.../slla120.pdf

    I hope this helps.

    Best Regards,
    Luis Omar Moran
    High Speed Interface
    SWAT Team
  • Hi Luis, Thank you.

    BR
    Shai Berman