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TUSB211: whether we need the redriver TUSB211

Part Number: TUSB211
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TUSB216

Hi team,

My customer wants to check whether we need the redriver TUSB211 or not. Coluld you please give some suggestions how to evaluate it?

The link is below.

1.22inch PCB + Cable 610mm + Connector *6

2. 22.4inch + Cable 610mm + Connector *6

If we need the redriver, where is the best option. How about using it at the Switch node side? If the device cannot support, whether we have other suggestions?

Thanks.

 

MotherBoard

Connector

Cable

Connector

Switch node

Connector

 

Connector

Mid-Board

Connector

 

CABLE

 

USB2.0

PCH

15000mils

Left ear
1410A04D

350mm

LEFT Ear
1410A04D

75mm=3inch

1422A07T
(ExaMax 6x8)

 

10124752
(ExaMax 6x8)

4inch

1414A02N
(MiniSAS)

 

260mm

USB2.0

USB2.0

PCH

18800mils

Right ear
1410A02Q

300mm

Right ear
1410A02Q

40mm=1.6inch

1422A07T
(ExaMax 6x8)

 

10124752
(ExaMax 6x8)

2inch

1414A02N
(MiniSAS)

 

260mm

USB2.0

22.4inch + Cable 610mm + Connector *6

  • Hi Frank,

    Could you also describe the "switch node" in this system? What is the end equipment?  To best way to evaluate this case would be through simulation. In this case TUSB216 should be used and not TUSB211. In addition multiple TUSB216 will most likely needed to be used. I recommend  placing the redriver closest to the connectors to start. 

  • Hi Malik,

    i have highlight the SW( switch node--75mm=3inch) on the table above( yesterday post), it's switch board. The EE is blade server. How many db our device can compensate?

    Could you please also share why we need 216 not 211?

    Thanks.

  • Hi Frank,

     TUSB216 should be used on the puck board. TUSB216 has greater re-driving capability on both the rising and failing edge of the eye. TUSB211 has less re-driving capability. TUSB216 also has more options when used in I2C mode for tuning with atypically transmission media. USB 2 redriver do not use "equalization" like USB 3 re-drivers, so there is no "strict" insertion loss (dB) that can be stated. Estimates in dB do not correlate well. The impedance profile and inductance play a bigger role in USB 2 signal integrity. I recommend modeling the design as closely as possible to get a better understanding of SI performance of the system. 

  • hi Malik,

    Many thanks for your help. Can the customer use the schematic compatible solution for TUSB211 and TUSB216? We want to try the two devices at the same time.(For 211 is in their library). From previous reply, one device is ok here. Thanks.

  • Hi Frank,

    Yes the schematic should be able to be re-sued with TUSB216. Please keep in mind that there some minor pin differences, see below for details.

    • TUSB211 EQ ---> TUSB216 BOOST: Pin straps are slightly different between the two pins
    • TUSB211 ENA_HS ---> TUSB216 RX_SEN/ENA_HS: RX_SEN can be pin strapped to help fine tune re-driving settings. See datasheet for recommend settings
    • TUSB211 VREG --> TUSB216 CDP_ENZ: TUSB216 no longer requires 0.1-µF external capacitor. pin strap used for additional CDP functionality

  • Hi Malik,

    We have finished the schematic below as your suggestions(please neglect the part number, the real part number is TUSB211). For the pin 9 whether we need to reserve the pull up and pull down resistor here?

  • Hi Frank,

    Notes on the schematic.

    • Pin 1 an 2 should be shorted pin 8 and pin 7 respectively. 
    • There should be a 1 uF cap to ground on pin 12.
    • Pin 4 and Pin 9 should be connected to a test point.
    • Other pins look good.