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SN65HVD33: Replacement for SN65HVD33D

Part Number: SN65HVD33
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: STRIKE, THVD1500, SN75HVD3082E, SN75LBC184, THVD1419, SN65HVD1470, SN65HVD70

Hi team,

Question from a customer-

Several years ago we designed a new processor board with a touchscreen. The same processor mates to several screen sizes. This board has 3 - RS485 ports and uses 3 - SN65HVD33D.

 

We are introducing a replacement processor board for use with the touchscreens. It will directly replace the older board in all applications, plus one additional one. This additional application has longer cable runs and larger amounts of data on the RS485. The processor that was previously used in this application, did not have a touchscreen and used SN75LBC184P in half duplex.

On different ports and applications, we communicate at 9,600, 19,200, 38,400, 57,600, and 115,200 baud; since this is relatively slow speed, some members of our team believe that we should be using a chip with a slower specified speed. We have had some communication issues of unknown cause with the SN65HVD33D. One team member suggested Renesas/Intersil ISL32600EFBZ. I prefer Texas Instruments.

 

So I have 3 questions:

Would a slower chip help us and can you suggest a Texas Instruments replacement for SN65HVD33D?

 

Is there a full-duplex transceiver in a DIP package that could be in a socket on the PCB for easy field replacement?

 

Can you suggest a better part for use in our older designs to replace the SN75LBC184P in an 8-DIP package?

 

We have been using SN75LBC184P, half-duplex, in a DIP-8 socket for about 20 years with no problems, except if our customers building takes a lightning strike, the transceivers need to be replaced, hence the socket.

  • A driver with slow edges can reduce ringing in improperly terminated buses, and will reduce EMI. So it would be a good idea to replace the SN65HVD33D with the THVD1500‍D.

    In the DIP package, the SN75LBC184 is still a good choice for high surge protection. The SN75HVD3082E uses much less power and is cheaper, but has lower protection.

  • Hi Clemens,

    Thanks for your reply.

    But it does not appear that the THVD1500‍D could replace the SN65HVD33D.

    SN65HVD33D is 3.3v full-duplex

    THVD1500‍D is 5v half duplex

    Am I looking at the wrong datasheet or are they not compatible?

    Thanks,

  • For full duplex RS-485, if it has to be pin 2 pin compatible with SN65HVD33D, you can consider THVD1452D (50Mbps 3.3V/5V) or SN65HVD70D (400kbps 3.3V). Other than slower data rate, do you have other requirement on fault voltage or ESD?

    The new RS-485 with surge protection is THVD1419 (+/-2.5kV 1.2/50us). Unfortunately it doesn't come with DIP-8 package.

    BTW, the newly release TI parts can be found in this post. Please let us know if you have any more questions. 

  • Sorry, I got confused with the LBC transceiver. A slower replacement for the SN65HVD33D would be SN65HVD70, or SN65HVD1470 with higher ESD protection.