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SN74LV123A: Minimum retrigger time

Part Number: SN74LV123A

Hi,

I have any questions.

1. Which of tMIR (= 0.3 x tw), tMIR (tPLH + tw) and trr is the minimum retrigger time?

2. The data sheet "10.2.1.3 Retriggering Data" states "the two adjacent input signals must be tMIR apart, where tMIR = 0.30 x tw.".

Which of "7.7 Timing Requirements, VCC = 3.3 V ± 0.3 V" and "7.10 Switching Characteristics, VCC = 3.3 V ± 0.3 V" is this tw?

Best Regards,

Nishie

  • Hi Nishie-san,

    1. Which of tMIR (= 0.3 x tw), tMIR (tPLH + tw) and trr is the minimum retrigger time?

    t_rr is the pulse retrigger time:

    This value is shown in the timing diagram here:

    In the applications section, the datasheet also defines t_MIR as the minimum input retriggering time, which is the same as the minimum t_rr value. See image below and compare to above.

    The difference is that t_rr is the retrigger time, which can be a minimum, typical, or maximum, while t_MIR is only the minimum value.

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    2. The data sheet "10.2.1.3 Retriggering Data" states "the two adjacent input signals must be tMIR apart, where tMIR = 0.30 x tw.".

    That is correct. The time between the two input trigger events must be at least t_MIR apart. In the below case, the trigger event is the falling edge:

    The amount of time that is added from retriggering will be the output pulse width (K*R*C) plus the propagation delay to the output (t_PLH). In long pulses this is not a major issue due to the propagation delay being only a few nanoseconds, but with short pulses, this can be signficant.

    Which of "7.7 Timing Requirements, VCC = 3.3 V ± 0.3 V" and "7.10 Switching Characteristics, VCC = 3.3 V ± 0.3 V" is this tw?

    The t_w they are referencing here is the output pulse width (as shown in Figure 10)

    This value will vary depending on your selected timing components.

    To be clear:

    Timing Requirements explains what limitations there are on inputs from the designer / system.

    Switching Characteristics describes measured outputs of the device.

    The output pulse width, t_w, is thus in the Switching Characteristics table -- assuming you are using one of the values shown for your timing components:

    The datasheet also indicates that the output pulse will be active 15ns after the trigger input --  it is providing a typical delay. Again, with longer pulse widths, this won't have much impact, but with short pulses this could cause the output to retrigger after the timer expires, creating a double pulse (as shown above) instead of a single pulse as desired.

  • Hi Maier-san,

    Thank you for your reply.

    In the applications section, the datasheet also defines t_MIR as the minimum input retriggering time, which is the same as the minimum t_rr value.

    -> If the minimum value of t_rr and t_MIR are the same, how do you calculate the minimum value of t_rr (listed as "See" in the data sheet)?

     Is it wrong to calculate like t_rr = t_MIR = t_PHL + t_w?

    Best Regards,

    Nishie

  • Hi Nishie-san,

    t_rr(min) = t_MIR = 0.3 * t_w = 0.3 * K * R_T * C_T

    t_RT = t_PLH + t_w = t_PLH + K * R_T * C_Tword

    Edit:  I had some issues with the above equation displaying correctly, so I added the below image also:

  • Hi Maier-san,

    Thank you for your reply.

    I have one more question.

    Is it correct to recognize that t_rr and t_RT are the same?

    Best Regards,

    Nishie

  • Hi Nishie-san,

    t_rr and t_RT are not exactly the same. Please see my previous response for the mathematical definitions

    t_rr tells you the minimum spacing between input trigger signals.

    t_RT tells you the amount of time added to a pulse due to retriggering.