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TXU0304-Q1: Why could we use 200Mbps data rate @ 3.3V to 5.5V level shifting in spite of signal propagation delay = 0.5~10ns?

Part Number: TXU0304-Q1
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: SN74LVC2T45

Hi team, 

Why could we use 200Mbps data rate @ 3.3V to 5.5V level shifting in spite of signal propagation delay = 0.5~10ns?

SPI master output clock is 200MHz (come from 200Mbps), which is equal to 5ns a period. However, TXU0304-Q1 has 0.5ns~10ns propagation delay for 5.0V to 3.3V transition @TA=125C shown in "7.11 switching characteristics VCCA=3.3+- 0.3." It leads propagation delay > clock period and looks no correct operation. 

Regards,
Ochi

  • There are several buffer stages. You can apply a new voltage at the input even while the output has not yet finished (dis)charging the load.

  • Hi Ladisch, 

    Sorry I cannot understand what you mention. Could you please explain with some waveforms and schematic for my understanding?

    Regards,
    Ochi

  • The internals looks something like this:

  • Hi team, 

    Does higher propagation delay than 1/2 * SPICLK period lead communication error? Please take a look at lower figure. I guess it leads out od sync between Master In Slave Out" and "SPICLK" by using level shifter. 

    Why could we use 200Mbps data rate @ 3.3V to 5.5V level shifting in spite of signal propagation delay = 0.5~10ns? SPI master output clock is 200MHz (come from 200Mbps), which is equal to 5ns a period. However, TXU0304-Q1 has 0.5ns~10ns propagation delay for 5.0V to 3.3V transition @TA=125C shown in "7.11 switching characteristics VCCA=3.3+- 0.3." It leads propagation delay > clock period and looks no correct operation. 

    Regards,
    Ochi

  • Signals going in the same direction will have similar propagation delays.

    But the MISO signal indeed will be delayed by two translations, so the worst-case delay could be 20 ns.

    LVC translators like the SN74LVC2T45 have a worst-case tpd of 4.4 ns, but that is still too much.

    What devices are you using? Would it be possible to use LVDS?