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SN74LVC3GU04: Current mirror

Part Number: SN74LVC3GU04

Let me return to the topic, because not only did I find a useful application scenario for this special usage (which I also ran a basic test with), I also found - doubts:

A current mirror that doubles the current is a kind of amplifier and thus useful if deployed creatively.

But for a current mirror (let us assume we use the lower N-channel FETs and, as said before, Vcc is unconnected) we do not know the voltage at the drain, we only know the current there.

Depending where that output drain is connected its could be higher than the voltage on the first FET's drain (the one which is connected to the gates).

Now I was told that for LVC logic there is a parasitic body diode for the P-channel FET to Vcc although it is not specified.

This would propagate the N-channel FET's drain voltage to Vcc which is not yet a problem.

But Vcc is also connected to the first inverter's P-channel FET. 

Given that the first N-channel FET's gate voltage may well be low (in a current mirror situation) this would turn on its associated P-channel FET i.e. the common Vcc node would clamp the second N-Channel FETs drain voltage to the first FET's.

Which is, of course, not what is expected from a current mirror.

The trick of leaving Vcc of a triple (or dual) unbuffered inverter unconnected (or vice versa its Gnd) is maybe not as good as it looked.

Now the question is: What's the ground truth about that parasitic clamping diode to Vcc at the (unbuffered) inverter's output?

Is there maybe a different logic family such as AUP/AUC where that diode is REALLY not there?

Actually any parasitic path may turn on the P-channel FET. Should Vcc better be connected to Gnd in such a case or would that turn off the N-channel FET too (e.g. in LXC)?

Some logic families promise that the output is high impedance if Vcc is down (AUP1T34) i.e. there cannot be a parasitic clamping diode.

The practical problem is that there is no AUP3GU04 or similar...

  • Devices with the Ioff feature (little-logic LVC, and all newer logic families like LV-A, AUP, AUC) do not connect the body to the source in the output P-channel FET:

    If VCC is grounded, then a current can flow from any input to VCC.

    I'd estimate that the LSF010x devices would be better suited as current mirrors. Did you test those?

  • Ok, like to hear that.

    I understand that the 74LVCU04 with six inverters would not be suitable (not little), right? (Maybe that is where I have the information from.)

    Why can a current flow from input to Vcc, there is no clamping diode either AFAIK.

    The LSF010 are in a significantly different price league, I mentioned them (in a different post), because the offer up to an 1:8 multiplication.

  • Yes, these devices with Ioff also have overvoltage-tolerant inputs without diode.

  • For the record: LCVU04 from Nexperia shows an output clamping diode to Vcc, TI's datasheet specifies clamping only for negative voltages at the output. These devices may be different or only their datasheets. TI*s would indicate that there is no output clamping to Vcc though this is not a "little-logic".

    Anyway, there is AUCU04, which ought to be suitable for my purposes.