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LSF0108: schematic review - how to provide input pull-down

Part Number: LSF0108


Dear Support;

This is the first time I am using this family of passive level translators.  I have two applications and need help with the first and verification of the second.  Thank you in advance for your support!

Application A

In my first application shown below, I need to provide a logical pull-down function of the 1.8V FPGA I/O signals connected to the A port.  I want to guarantee that the up translated outputs are low during FPGA configuration while the FPGA pins are tri-stated.  I do not believe the circuit shown below can work since the relatively weak 2.2k pull-downs will cause the FETs to turn ON (source below 1.8V bias level internally) and the FET will conduct connecting the pulled down node on the A port to B port the 330 ohm pull-up to 3.3V.  This I believe leads a 330/2.2K voltage divider and will NOT provide a low state voltage at port B.  Is my understanding correct?  If so,  is there a way to provide the translation and an active low power up state?  I am trying to avoid adding an additional driver just to handle the power-up case while the FPGA gets configured.

In my second application, I am using a single chip to provide multi-voltage translation.  One case is uni-directional up translation from 1.8V to 3.3V.  In this case, the A side is operated at the lowest interface voltage of 1.8V and the 3.3V pull-ups are optional based upon leakage in the 3.3V receiver and I have chosen to include.

The second translation if for a bi-directional I2C bus with up translation from 3.3V to 5V and down translation from 5V to 3.3V.  I believe that as long as the A port is operated t the lowest interface voltage of 1.8V, then the pull-ups to 3.3V and 5V allow for the correct bi-directional translation between 3.3V and 5V.  Is this design correct

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    The LSF architecture requires pull-ups, so it is not possible to use pull-downs. It might be possible to use a TXB translator with a very weak pull-down, if the traces are short enough. But if you have unidirectional signals, or a separate direction signal, it would be easier and more robust to use a direction-controlled translator.

  • Hi Craig,

    agree with Clemens on this, its not suitable for having a pulldown resistor for a default condition during startup while you have pullup resistor for level translation on the LSF.

    For the second one, the LSF can handle multi voltage translation. The VrefA must be at the lowest voltage level and the pullup must be held at respective Vpullup level ( 3.3 / 5V) to have the level translation as desired.

    Also note that the A ports are not referenced to Vcca supply similarly the B ports are not ref to Vccb supply.

    A ports can also be pulled up to any value between VrefA and VrefB levels.

  • Thank you both for your valuable input.