AM2431: Inquiry regarding product development using AM2431

Part Number: AM2431
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TPS65219, DP83869, LMR51635, LP-AM243, TMDS243EVM, TPS62822, TPS745

Tool/software:

Hello, I'm currently developing a product using the AM2431 and have a question.

We purchased and are testing the AM2431 EVM and TPS65219 EVM.

The power input is 10-30V, so we're generating 5V with an LMR51635 and using the TPS65219 to power the AM2431 and DP83869.

My current dilemma is whether to use the TPS6521907 or the TPS621908.

I checked the TI documentation, but there is no document that connects TPS6521908 and AM62x, so I am contacting you

If you have any references, I'd also like to know if you can provide them.

Please confirm. Thank you.

  • Hi,

    Thanks for reaching out. What AM2431 package and DDR memory is your application using?

    Thanks,

    Brenda

  • I'm trying to use the AM2431BSDFHIALXR.

    Which TPS65219 product should I use?

    Thank you.

  • Hi,

    The AM243 devices in ALX package do not support DDR4/LPDDR4 memory subsystem (DDRSS). In this scenario you do not need to integrate a 1.1V rail in the power solution. I would recommend using LP87334D PMIC which comes pre-programmed to meet the voltage/sequence requirements. The following apps note can be used as a guide to select the power solution for AM243: https://www.ti.com/lit/an/slda059/slda059.pdf

    Alternatively, you could also consider using a user-programmable PMIC (i.e TPS6521905). This option require customers to program the PMIC settings. 

    Thanks,

    Brenda

  • Hello.
    I have a question.
    Does the appnote(Powering the AM243x With the TPS65219 PMIC) you provided only apply to ALV, not ALX?
    Since ALX doesn't have DDR, is it impossible to match the AM2431ALX power sequence with the TPS6521907 or TPS6521908?
    Please confirm.
  • Correct. The TPS65219 PMIC apps note only covers AM243 ALV package where DDR voltage is required. 

    The closest TPS65219 variant to the LP87334D PMIC is TPS6521907. This PMIC variant could be used to power AM243x in ALX package but it will require to include the external passive components for any PMIC unused rail if they are enabled by default. For example, even though Buck3 (1.2V) is not used, it still requires the input and output capacitors as well as the inductor. 

    Thanks,

    Brenda 

  • If you check the app note you wrote, Using LP8733xx and TPS65218xx PMICs to Power AM64x and AM243x Sitara Processors

    If you're using the AM2431 ALX package + Ethernet (Figure 5-6), the LP87334D is recommended.

    (Our product uses the AM2431 + Ethernet (DP83869))

    Do you have a figure using the TPS65219 series?

    Can the AM2431 be driven with the default voltage output using the TPS6521907?

    Please confirm. Thank you.

  • In the LP87334D diagram, the EthernetPHY 2.5V/1.1V supplies are not integrated in the PMIC. They are supplied with external discrete regulators so they are independent from the selected PMIC.   

    TPS65219 PMIC has enough regulators to integrate all the EthernetPHY supplies but this would require a new orderable part number with unique NVM settings. If you decide to use an existing NVM config like TPS6521907, then AM243_ALX would only use Buck1, Buck2, LDO2 and LDO3. Any unused regulator will still require the external passive components (i.e input/output caps, inductors, etc). To supply the EthernetPHY, here are the options you can consider:

    • supply all the EthernetPHY with external discrete components and use one of the TPS6521907 GPIOs (i.e. GPO1) to enable/disable the external rails.
    • supply the VDDA2P5 rail with the LDO4 from TPS6521907 and use GPO1 to enable external discrete devices used to supply the remaining supply pins of the ethernetPHY.

    Note: If the design implementation does not allow ramping all the DP83869 rails together, the sequencing requirements must be met (see sequence diagram in the datasheet).  

    Thanks,

    Brenda

  • Thank you for your reply.

    I'm trying to build a circuit based on the app notes you provided.

    Is there a reference circuit corresponding to Figure 5-6? If so, could I get it?

    Please confirm. Thank you.

  • Hi,

    The AM243 evaluation modules use discrete power solution instead of PMIC. These designs (listed below) can be used as a reference for the supply groups. It will help you understand which rails can be grouped and supplied with the same regulator. 

    Note: If the total current on the 1.8V IO (including AM243 and external peripherals) is higher than the PMIC LDO rating, then I recommend using discrete power solution. 

    Thanks,

    Brenda

  • I've already purchased and am reviewing your EVM board.

    I've also checked the EVM circuit, but it uses too many power ICs, making it difficult to apply to my product.

    Therefore, I'm considering the TPS65219 and LP87334.

    Currently, I'm considering the LP87334 (see SLDA059 Figure 5-6) over the TPS65219.

    Is there a problem with supplying AM2431 power and Ethernet power using the default settings without I2C control from the LP87334?

    Please confirm.

  • Hi,

    The AM243_ALX only requires 3-4 supplies (CORE, 3.3V IO, 1.8V IO and VDDA_1V8). Any other supply in the EVM is application dependent and not necessarily required by the MCU. The power supply implementation of this MCU is simple enough for easy implementation with discrete or PMIC. If you don't feel comfortable with the power supply design process I would recommend re-using the validated power solution from the LP-AM243 EVM.  

    However, if you proceed with the PMIC, here are some notes to assist the design process. Let us know if there are any questions. 

    • LP87334D comes pre-programmed to meet the voltage/current/sequence requirements of the AM243_ALX MCU. Customers are responsible for performing a system level power analysis to make sure the 3.3V and 1.8V IO supplies (i.e LP87334D BUCK1 and LDO0) have enough current rating to supply the MCU and peripherals which are specific to your application. 
    • If you are planning to use the EthernetPHY in a two-supply configuration and driving the VDDIO with 3.3V as implemented in LP-AM243 EVM, then there shouldn't be any issues with the PMIC current rating. Here is a high level supply diagram that you could consider. Please refer to EthernetPHY datasheet for information about two-supply configuration and sequencing requirements). 

        

    Thanks,

    Brenda

  • Hi,

    As I mentioned above, I'm planning to build a product using the LP87334D (0.85V, 1.8V, 3.3V), AM2431 (ALX package), TPS62822 (1.1V), TPS745 (2.5V), TLV75518 (VPP_1.8V), and DP83869 (Ethernet).

    Do I need a 3.3V power switch for this configuration? Or can I just connect the buck output directly to the VDDIO of the DP83869?

    Please confirm.

  • The sequence requirements of the EthernetPHY can be found in the DP83869 datasheet (see capture below). It requires powering all supplies together or supplying VDDIO after the 2.5V/1.1V rails. The LP87334D was configured to turn-ON BUCK1 (3.3V) first in sequence (see second capture below). If you are enabling the external 2.5V/1.1V rails with the PMIC GPO2, then the next step in the design process would be controlling the enable of the VDDIO. How do you make sure VDDIO turns-ON at the same time or after the 2.5V/1.1V rails? One option would be using a power switch instead of connecting the PMIC Buck1 directly to DP83869.

    From DP83869 datasheet 

    From LP87334D Technical Reference Manual

    Thanks,

    Brenda