TMS570LC4357: TMS570LC4357: SCI DMA RX without IRQ and variable packet lengths

Hi Surabhi,

Apologies for the delayed response!

We have one internal AI tool which can analyze all the collaterals related to this controller, i got some useful tips from it after feeding this issue.

Could you please verify whether any one of these solutions is feasible at your end?

You've correctly identified that the TMS570LC4357's DMA controller doesn't inherently support receiving variable packet lengths without some additional mechanism. Here's my analysis of your observations:

1. WCP CTCOUNT register: This does update when DMA receives bytes, but as you noted, it only updates when a new DMA trigger occurs, making it unreliable for real-time tracking.

2. Port A/B TR Count: These values reflect the planned transfer size rather than the actual received bytes count, which isn't helpful for dynamic packet reception.

3. FIFOSTAT registers: You've found these don't update during DMA reception.

Possible Solutions

Since you specifically want to avoid protocol-based approaches, here are some potential workarounds:

1. Polling-Based Solution with WCP CTCOUNT

You could implement a polling mechanism that:

• Configures the DMA for a maximum expected packet size
• Periodically checks the WCP CTCOUNT to detect when new bytes arrive
• Uses a timeout mechanism to determine packet completion

// Configure DMA for maximum expected packet size
// ...

uint32_t last_count = dmaREG->WCP[channel].CTCOUNT;
uint32_t timeout_counter = 0;
const uint32_t TIMEOUT_THRESHOLD = 1000; // Adjust based on baud rate

while(1) {
    uint32_t current_count = dmaREG->WCP[channel].CTCOUNT;
    
    if(current_count != last_count) {
        // New data received
        last_count = current_count;
        timeout_counter = 0;
    } else {
        timeout_counter++;
        if(timeout_counter >= TIMEOUT_THRESHOLD) {
            // No new data for a while, assume packet complete
            uint32_t bytes_received = MAX_PACKET_SIZE - current_count;
            process_packet(bytes_received);
            // Reset DMA for next packet
            break;
        }
    }
    // Small delay
}

2. Hybrid Approach with Minimal Interrupts

While you mentioned avoiding interrupts, a minimal interrupt approach might be more reliable:

• Configure the SCI RX with a timeout interrupt
• Use the timeout interrupt to detect end-of-packet conditions
• Keep DMA running for data transfer

3. Frame-Based Reception

If your communication allows it, you could:

• Use fixed-size frames with header information indicating actual payload size
• Configure DMA to transfer these fixed-size frames
• Process only the valid bytes indicated in the header

Recommendations

1. Most Reliable: Implement a protocol with packet delimiters or length fields, despite your preference to avoid this.

2. Next Best: Use the hybrid approach with minimal interrupts, particularly the SCI RX timeout interrupt.

3. If Constraints Prevent Above: Your approach with WCP CTCOUNT polling could work, but will be less efficient and may miss edge cases.

The fundamental limitation is that the DMA controller is designed for fixed-length transfers. Any variable-length solution will require some additional mechanism to determine packet boundaries.

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Thanks & regards,
Jagadish.

Thank you for your response.

I find your solution "Hybrid Approach with Minimal Interrupts" interesting. Could you elaborate a bit on how to implement SCI RX with a timeout interrupt?

Also it would be good to know: How would we know the number of bytes received (or the number of bytes to copy) if the timeout IRQ was able to detect end of packet condition?

Thanks,
Surabhi

Hi Surabhi,

Implementing SCI RX Timeout Interrupt with DMA

1. Configuring SCI RX Timeout Interrupt

The timeout interrupt triggers when the RX line goes idle for a specified period. Here's how to implement it:

Hardware Configuration

```c
// Assuming TI TMS570 or similar MCU with SCI timeout capability

void SCI_ConfigureRxTimeout(sciBASE_t *sci, uint32_t timeout_bits)
{
// Enable timeout functionality
// Timeout value is typically in bit-times (e.g., 8-16 bit periods)
sci->SETINTTIMEOUT = timeout_bits; // Example: 10 bit times

// Enable timeout interrupt
sci->SETINT = SCI_RX_INT_TIMEOUT;

// Clear any pending timeout flags
sci->FLG = SCI_RX_INT_TIMEOUT;
}

void SCI_Init_With_Timeout(void)
{
// Standard SCI initialization
sciInit();

// Configure for 115200 baud, 8N1
sciSetBaudrate(sciREG1, 115200);

// Set timeout to ~10 bit times
// This means if no data arrives for 10 bit periods, timeout triggers
SCI_ConfigureRxTimeout(sciREG1, 10);

// Enable SCI and RX
sciREG1->GCR1 |= 0x80; // Enable SCI
sciREG1->SETINT |= 0x200; // Enable RX timeout interrupt
}
```

Timeout Calculation

```c
// For a given baud rate, calculate appropriate timeout
// Timeout should be > 1 character time but < expected inter-packet gap

uint32_t Calculate_Timeout_Value(uint32_t baudrate, float char_times)
{
// Each character = 10 bits (1 start + 8 data + 1 stop)
// Timeout in bit-times = char_times * 10

// Example: 1.5 character times at any baud rate
return (uint32_t)(char_times * 10.0f);
}

// Usage:
// For detecting end-of-packet after 1.5 character silence:
uint32_t timeout = Calculate_Timeout_Value(115200, 1.5);
```

2. Determining Number of Bytes Received

This is the key part! Here are several methods:

Method A: Using DMA Counter (Most Common)

```c
#define RX_BUFFER_SIZE 256

uint8_t rx_buffer[RX_BUFFER_SIZE];
volatile uint32_t packet_size = 0;

void Setup_DMA_For_RX(void)
{
// Configure DMA channel for SCI RX
dmaChannel_t dma_cfg;

dma_cfg.SADD = (uint32_t)&sciREG1->RD; // Source: SCI RX register
dma_cfg.DADD = (uint32_t)rx_buffer; // Dest: our buffer
dma_cfg.CHCTRL = 0; // Auto-init disabled
dma_cfg.FRCNT = RX_BUFFER_SIZE; // Frame count (bytes to receive)
dma_cfg.ELCNT = 1; // Element count
dma_cfg.ELDOFFSET = 0;
dma_cfg.FRDOFFSET = 0;
dma_cfg.PORTASGN = PORTA_READ_PORTB_WRITE;

dmaSetChEnable(DMA_CH0, DMA_HW);
dmaSetChannel(DMA_CH0, dma_cfg);
}

void SCI_Timeout_ISR(void)
{
// Read DMA transfer counter to see how many bytes are LEFT
uint32_t bytes_remaining = dmaGetTransferCount(DMA_CH0);

// Calculate bytes actually received
packet_size = RX_BUFFER_SIZE - bytes_remaining;

// Clear timeout flag
sciREG1->FLG = SCI_RX_INT_TIMEOUT;

// Signal application that packet is ready
// (set flag, post semaphore, etc.)
packet_ready_flag = 1;

// Reset DMA for next packet
Setup_DMA_For_RX();
}

// Application code
void Process_Packets(void)
{
if (packet_ready_flag)
{
packet_ready_flag = 0;

// Now we know exactly how many bytes were received
Process_Data(rx_buffer, packet_size);
}
}
```

Method B: Double Buffer with Pointer Tracking

```c
#define BUFFER_SIZE 256

uint8_t rx_buffer_A[BUFFER_SIZE];
uint8_t rx_buffer_B[BUFFER_SIZE];
uint8_t *active_buffer = rx_buffer_A;
uint8_t *process_buffer = NULL;

volatile uint32_t received_count = 0;

void Setup_DMA_Circular(void)
{
// DMA writes to active_buffer
// On timeout, we swap buffers

dmaChannel_t dma_cfg;
dma_cfg.SADD = (uint32_t)&sciREG1->RD;
dma_cfg.DADD = (uint32_t)active_buffer;
dma_cfg.FRCNT = BUFFER_SIZE;

dmaSetChannel(DMA_CH0, dma_cfg);
}

void SCI_Timeout_ISR(void)
{
uint32_t bytes_remaining = dmaGetTransferCount(DMA_CH0);
received_count = BUFFER_SIZE - bytes_remaining;

// Swap buffers
process_buffer = active_buffer;
active_buffer = (active_buffer == rx_buffer_A) ? rx_buffer_B : rx_buffer_A;

// Reconfigure DMA to new buffer
dmaSetDestAddr(DMA_CH0, (uint32_t)active_buffer);
dmaSetTransferCount(DMA_CH0, BUFFER_SIZE);

// Clear flag and signal application
sciREG1->FLG = SCI_RX_INT_TIMEOUT;
packet_ready_flag = 1;
}
```

Method C: Using Hardware Byte Counter (if available)

```c
// Some MCUs have a hardware byte counter register

void SCI_Timeout_ISR(void)
{
// Read hardware byte counter (MCU-specific)
packet_size = sciREG1->BYTE_COUNT; // Hypothetical register

// Or use DMA transfer complete count
packet_size = DMA_CH0->BTCNT; // Bytes transferred count

// Clear and continue
sciREG1->FLG = SCI_RX_INT_TIMEOUT;
packet_ready_flag = 1;
}
```

Complete Working Example

Here's a complete implementation:

```c
#define RX_BUFFER_SIZE 512
#define TIMEOUT_BITS 15 // ~1.5 character times

uint8_t rx_buffer[RX_BUFFER_SIZE];
volatile uint32_t packet_length = 0;
volatile uint8_t packet_ready = 0;

void Init_SCI_DMA_With_Timeout(void)
{
// 1. Initialize SCI
sciInit();
sciSetBaudrate(sciREG1, 115200);

// 2. Configure timeout
sciREG1->TIMEOUT_CTRL = TIMEOUT_BITS;
sciREG1->SETINT |= SCI_TIMEOUT_INT;

// 3. Setup DMA
dmaChannel_t dma_config = {
.SADD = (uint32_t)&sciREG1->RD,
.DADD = (uint32_t)rx_buffer,
.FRCNT = RX_BUFFER_SIZE,
.ELCNT = 1,
.CHCTRL = 0,
.PORTASGN = PORTA_READ_PORTB_WRITE
};

dmaSetChannel(DMA_CH0, dma_config);
dmaSetChEnable(DMA_CH0, DMA_HW);

// 4. Enable interrupts
vimEnableInterrupt(SCI_TIMEOUT_INT_CHANNEL, SYS_IRQ);

// 5. Start SCI
sciREG1->GCR1 |= 0x80;
}

#pragma INTERRUPT(SCI_Timeout_Handler, IRQ)
void SCI_Timeout_Handler(void)
{
// Get remaining count from DMA
uint32_t remaining = dmaREG->BTCR[DMA_CH0];

// Calculate received bytes
packet_length = RX_BUFFER_SIZE - remaining;

// Only process if we received data
if (packet_length > 0)
{
packet_ready = 1;

// Stop DMA temporarily
dmaSetChEnable(DMA_CH0, DMA_SW);

// Will be restarted after processing
}

// Clear timeout flag
sciREG1->FLG = SCI_TIMEOUT_FLAG;
}

void Main_Task(void)
{
Init_SCI_DMA_With_Timeout();

while(1)
{
if (packet_ready)
{
// Process the received packet
Process_Packet(rx_buffer, packet_length);

// Reset for next packet
packet_ready = 0;
packet_length = 0;

// Restart DMA
dmaSetTransferCount(DMA_CH0, RX_BUFFER_SIZE);
dmaSetChEnable(DMA_CH0, DMA_HW);
}

// Other tasks...
}
}
```

Key Points

1. **Timeout Detection**: The hardware automatically detects when RX line is idle for the specified bit-times
2. **Byte Count**: Read the DMA counter register to determine `bytes_received = buffer_size - bytes_remaining`
3. **Minimal Overhead**: Only one interrupt per packet, not per byte
4. **Reliable**: Hardware timeout is more accurate than software polling

This approach gives you the efficiency of DMA with reliable packet boundary detection!

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Thanks & regards,
Jagadish.

Hi Surabhi,

Apologies for the delayed response!

Surabhi R said:

• The TMS570LC4357 does not support an SCI RX timeout interrupt in hardware.
• Variable-length SCI RX using DMA appears to require either:
  • a protocol-level delimiter or length field, or
  • the use of SCI or DMA interrupts to detect packet boundaries.

Your understanding is totally correct.

You can refer below thread as well for same confirmation:

(+) TMS570LC4357-EP: TMS570LC4357 SCI — is there an idle-line RX interrupt? - Arm-based microcontrollers forum - Arm-based microcontrollers - TI E2E support forums

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Thanks & regards,
Jagadish.