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Add mandatory fields of information to start a new question

Hi everyone,

Some of you may struggle with users that come here asking question but lack information so basic as the MCU using.

So i suggest adding mandatory fields of information before posting a question. This would be a list of options that the user would chose.

The options could be something like this the TM4C:

  1. Part Series
    1. TM4C123
    2. TM4C1294
  2. Part (this or the one above?, depending on how specific you think it needs to be)
    1. Chose from the list of existent parts.
  3. Compiler
    1. CCS
    2. IAR
    3. Keil
    4. Other - which one? Write.

And under the "Subject"/Title, instead of having just "Description", why not have something like:
Description - add any information/code/schematic/image you find relevant by using the editor tools for easier readability and so users can have a better assistance.


What do you all think about this?
Maybe it could be more guided, like

  1. Do you want to post a code? Yes or No option
    1. Add your code here:
      1. And the user would post the code which would be already formatted with the editor code tool
    2. What is this code supposed to do?
      1. User writes description
    3. Does it do that?
      1. Yes or No
    4. What is it doing now that is wrong?
      1. User writes.

Of course the options like "What is it doing now that is wrong?" would only appear if you answer "No" in "Does it do that?"
This might seem over complicated? Well there's lots of times we do those questions! If they are so common since lots of users don't write then right away, why not have them automated right when the user tries to post?

So what do you all think? Do you have any suggestions?
I think it's a better idea to implement than the "split forum" by user abilities. I did learn a lot in here and i can see a problem with splitting users, though something must be done to help guide beginners right from the start to avoid questions that start with a lot of key information lacking 

  • Ah 1 more suggestion for this forum specifically.

    Before the title there should be a option to chose the nature of the question. 

    1. Peripheral
      1. GPIO
      2. SSI
      3. Timer
      4. etc...
    2. Part
    3. Other

    If you have more suggestions of "natures" please say so.

    The idea would be before the title have for example, if i chose "Timer" have:

    [Timer]

  • Long ago (prior to your escape from Arduino) a far more detailed, "Template suggestion" was made - which covered many/most/all of your points.  While duly noted - and promoted to "sticky" (for 30 days) - suggestion was rejected in favor of, "do nothing" - thus "wild west" of incompetent posts continues!  Aided/abetted (of course) by lack of any Forum Steering/Management...

    Here's the link to this (briefly) sticky post - rotated off home page to forum oblivion:  http://e2e.ti.com/support/microcontrollers/tiva_arm/f/908/t/349897

    Voters get the Gov't they deserve - and (equally) true - forum management (that term used bit loosely) has reaped what they've sowed...

  • Hello Luis,

    As cb1 has already said, we tried doing the same but seems that the template could not be implemented. Anyways 2015: I will push this agenda again cause it seems reasonable and now "valid".

    As another side note to the post: I looked at other forums and "strictly my observation": for specialized devices the questions are narrower in scope, but for broad market devices the questions rather open up and with more and more EVM's and LaunchPads at good price points, the content of the post becomes vague.

    Regards
    Amit
  • I would be opposed to this personally.

    Too formal and Procustrian for a forum.

    Robert
  • Hi Amit, so why don't split as is this?
    http://e2e.ti.com/support/applications/
    motor is again divided in two section...
    Why this can be not applicable to TIVA to create order on too many arguments??
  • Amit Ashara said:
    As cb1 has already said, we tried ... seems that the template could not be implemented.

    My dear Amit,

    That's simply not true - are you not (seriously) mistaken?  When such "could not be implemented" objection was made - I (immediately) presented a (directly) answering post - which showed the ease & efficiency of such template's creation.  (if my past (once sticky) template suggestion still lurks (somewhere - this "does not work harboring" forum) I'll (maybe) find - repost.

    Here's the link to this (briefly) sticky post - rotated off home page to forum oblivion:  

    About 10 or so responses in appears my creation of a sample template - which can (easily) be implemented!  (I simply copied/pasted in that past post - to prove that ease of implementation...)  Rejection occurred due to NIH (likely) or for some other (as always) unexplained reason from forum management...

    Some guidance - some steering of neophyte and/or frustrated posters - trumps "wild west" - every poster for himself!  (current - unguided, wild-west forum approach!)

    Having beyond 40 posts (as is "live" - right here/now) for the relatively simple implementation of SPI - points to the grave inefficiencies of the current (unmanaged, undirected) forum operation...  

    Please do not take this as a knock upon you (I've oft expressed my appreciation/respect) but upon that same NRND mindset which "knows best" - even when "facts in evidence" simply SHOUT that "knows best" proves far from the case...

  • Hi roberto

    You sugest sub-forums by peripheral and/or application?
    If i was possible to go into tm4c forum and see all sub forum posts, each indentified from which sub-forum it would be cool. But if i needed to go to each subforum to check for questions... That i would strongly disagree.
    I did suggest a tag before the title saying for which peripheral
  • Hi robert.

    If you noticed i did post this as a discussion so it would not have those "rules".
    Also this is a support forum used by not only begginers but also various employes from firms.
    Do consider how anoying is having to be pulling from the user something as basic as the series or when a user posts "i tried coding this but it doesnt work. Why?" and not provide the code? There it goes Amit or a community user ask for the code.
    Sometimes its simply because they are beginners, maybe just at asking questions at a forum and they are actually quite good at programming or what they asked and having some sort of template or enforced questions to start a thread could not only help them write a informative question but also allow better assistance.
    Of course it cant be too much or it will scare everyone. If you could help sugesting a middle ground inatead of completely refusing it would be apreciated. Maybe TI will listen
  • Hello cb1,

    cb1_mobile said:
    When such "could not be implemented" objection was made - I

    When I discussed with the E2E Forum Management. The "could not be implemented" was the response I got and I intend to raise this again,

    Regards

    Amit

  • Amit Ashara said:

    Hello cb1,

    cb1_mobile
    When such "could not be implemented" objection was made - I

    When I discussed with the E2E Forum Management. The "could not be implemented" was the response I got and I intend to raise this again,

     So again and forever, good talented get stopped in front of inusable poor instrument made by less skilled people probably choosed by commercial section...

     THIS is a technical fora (or forums if someone forget word origin) not a facebook like social network also if sometimes we also use like that...

     Again it appear as a bad copy of preceeding and we don't know why and what changed too. From Old one it is missing complete tree traversing I was using to go on primary root to see all discussion where on all fora of this platform.

     This also was useful to search and select some sub topic.

     This way actual platform perform very poor.

     Please ask also restore "rich text editor "or what is this am I using to be restored as it was and if possible please kick who does this utter thing for us we cannot have acces to fire  them....

     Please also ask to have more useful front page , not have that cyanish over white, to ask them study how to make a good interrface and why contrast is important we don't have eye repair material...

     This are old wishes I re-propose this new year too.. A better platform to use by technicians AND not a kid game... We need be PROFESSIONAL grade.

     Facebook model is not applicable there, so please ask them remove short reply, remove picture and media and restate file and picture we need for sure, and never point to useless Youtube than forever on computer files we have. Link need to be revisited to a light version and not so buggy as it is now..

     So again what got better this forum? Have useless radio button voting pane?

     How many functioning things got to thrash readability in first?

     Amit, I wish you an happy year and I also wish people your skill level be more granted than a useless money thrasher....

     PS: I also wish a lot of money for you, don't forget book ;)

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    I wish have access to voting with yellow rank as overall fora perception .. Terrible is appropriate!!

     Edit key with this rubbish is a primary need not submenu of a button (improper usage of button) Please use grey matter than grey out this...

  • This new title, "Mandatory Fields of Info" is far better described as a, "Template" as past proposed in my, "Forum Guidelines to improve posters..."

    It should not be so hard - or off-putting - to simply, "fill in the blanks" which insures (most) of the necessary "tech issues" are no longer omitted.  

    Last month I had to renew both driver's and pilot's license.  These standardized tests insure that there's a (general) understanding of the, "Rules of the Road" - and that our small twin does not endanger hundreds in a "Dreamliner."   There (long) exists Pilot's pre-flight Checklist (clearly itself a template) - which goes far to insure that the craft is air-worthy.  And the licensing tests insure - that at least on some basic level - I can communicate well w/Dreamliner captain.  

    After much thought - both here & at work w/in medical & defense industry - the need for and proven superiority of such a, "Template approach" is impossible to deny.  Templates insure that critical issues are clearly listed - they force a discipline (sorely lacking, now) upon posters - and if done properly may encourage the poster to reconsider - and investigate further - perhaps leading to the thrill of "discovery" - as the poster solves his own issue!

    For the template scheme to work - those posts which avoid that new standard - must be rejected w/disclaimer, "Post is not w/in the recommended template format - please comply and (only) then repost.  This message - upon it's 9th, 10th forum appearance - should herd forum cattle to the proper corral.

    I one time landed in San Diego - with a "747 heavy" on our tail.  (about 1 minute out)  Tower wasted no time in ordering us, "off the runway, NOW!" - and my past training & respect for discipline enabled our safe, "left turn" (off the main runway) so that the behemoth could safely land.  

    There's NO "wild west" in airport situations - and (likely) a similar "discipline" and "training structure" (i.e. template) will yield the same order & enriched forum experience we all seek...

  • Luis Afonso said:
    Also this is a support forum used by not only begginers but also various employes from firms.

    I am one of those.  That is the perspective from which I made those comments.

    Luis Afonso said:
    If you could help sugesting a middle ground inatead of completely refusing it would be apreciated.

    Removing Mandatory would be a big step in the right direction.

    I'd still find it somewhat paternalistic but it is a lot more acceptable.  I find a light touch on moderation a lot more fruitful than a heavy one.

     

    Robert

  • Robert Adsett said:
    find it somewhat paternalistic but it is a lot more acceptable.

    This reporter would, "think twice" before entering craft w/out such, "Pilot & Craft Template-Checklists" - despite their depiction as, "paternalistic."

    Inmate-Run Asylums are (surely) most acceptable - yet (predictably) yield "wild west" of care, treatment, results... which - as (so oft) reported here, "Does not Work!"

  • Thanks for all the feedback!

    For a longer form when posting questions we have been gated by system limitations. Some Forum systems and platforms are much easier in making customization's than others especially in regards to creation of new forum threads. Especially around something core for some of these where you have to significantly bulldoze code to customize can come with a lot of pitfalls and overall making consistently stable.

    We've historically reviewed and looked at ways to intercept at role levels to give different options. As an example someone in a "new" role might get a different experience and options before posting for the first time. Options looked at have included required fields but that becomes a slippery slope as it can often lead to a higher percentage of people populating it with incorrect information just to move a step ahead and likewise more time spent sorting through trying to discern what they were really needing/asking. While nothing is set in stone at this point, this is something we will continue to review and take input on from each of you and especially working with Amit and others that are highly active.

    I've wondered additionally especially in high interest areas like beginners with TM4C if holding regular Webinars around a variety of topics including Forum best practices would also help.

  • Hi Blake, I try be concise:
    >> we will continue to review and take input on from each of you and especially working with Amit and others that are highly active.
    This point please take for all us great care of our Amit we discovered what was is rule on TIVA. It was too much prepared and knowing all detail deep and better than in data sheet, it is the only one solver we can ask if we encounter trouble with silicon.

    >> I've wondered additionally especially in high interest areas like beginners with TM4C if holding regular Webinars around a variety of topics including Forum best practices would also help.

    Also this topic has to be addressed in different view, I am working as free lance (spare time) and teacher, actual pupils have the defect not to read nothing and pretend have all solved by other. This is not to our school and college but also from some CHEAP firm all think are competitive... So think a lot about, casual hobby user has to be addressed by separate thread and yes we can use private with Amit or other.
    Thank Again see you.
  • Blake Ethridge said:
    Options looked at have included required fields but that becomes a slippery slope ...  

    So - is the "Zero Effective Guidance" (forum policy in play here, now) not an, "even more slippery - and far steeper slope?"

    How many MORE, "Does not Work!" and "Urgent, ASAP" posts must land - before we admit - the present (undirected) method is failing?

    How many of Amit's posts must simply "tease out" the required data - which (so often) escapes novice posters?  How does this serve the forum?  Does it not exhaust & dishearten our forum champ Amit, and most all, follow-on, post readers?

    You're silent as regards my earlier mention of, "Standard Operating Procedure."  As past US Army Officer - little would have been accomplished w/out such practice!  And - just as here - many were new, untrained, little knowing - and desperately in need of (some) guidance and steering direction!

    A, "Fill in the blanks Template" is unlikely to achieve perfection - yet some guiding SOP is sure to provide (much) necessary training & direction - which (we all know) is currently - sadly & badly - missing!

    Or - we can leave the current method (which does appear, set in stone) and read (on a daily basis) poster's MCU, "Does not Work!"