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[Request] Provide TI solution against for competitor

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Hi community member,

Please let me discuss about TI MCU with you.
Now my customer have used the ST micro MCU(STM32F417IEH6). Thus, I would like to introduce TI' MCU solution to my customer. Would you please show us some solution for us against for competitor's device?

Note: This device has some key features such as Camera interface and DAC. I think that my customer need this function. In addition to this, the operating frequency is higher than TivaC. Thus, we do not have solution for this socket in my understanding.

If you have any questions, please let me know.
Best regards.
Kaka

  • Hello Kaka,

    We take it with a pinch of salt. That is correct the STM32F4 device has a Camera, DAC and Higher performance. Having said that there are TM4C features like the Internal PHY which reduces the BOM Cost of having an external PHY. Now does this match the customer requirement?

    Regards
    Amit
  • Hi Amit, camera interface and I2S audio if they are interested to WIFI than ETHErmodule CC3200 can be a good fit, all depend on DAC feature of competitor application and software has to run on processor.
  • Hello Roberto,

    Is is very application centric. Even if STM has camera that necessarily make it a work horse for image processing. The same argument is applicable to TM4C devices as well. Again the customer has to decide.

    Regards
    Amit
  • Hi Amit, Roberto,

    Thank you for your responses.
    Now, customer used the STM micro MCU for finger vein authentication. Thus, they requirement the Camera I/F.  And they need to have USB function and Bluetooth function in order to communicate with PC. Not use Ethernet for their application. Thus, the integrated PHY and Wi-Fi are not benefit for them. 


    Best regards.
    Kaka

  • Hi Kato, medical application or vein in sense of fingerprint biometric?
    This case try see this solution too, ready to use and probably cheap than TIVA:
    www.ti.com/.../fingerprint_biometrics
  • Amit Ashara said:
    We take it with a pinch of salt.

    Was that not - the very same response - uttered by famed (past) General, "George A. Custer" when told of massive Indian presence at/around, "Little Big Horn?"   (for those - not students of U.S. history - Custer's 7th Cavalry did not emerge - post that battle...)

    Might you have moved - more than a bit, "Out of character" w/that quick/dismissive response?   (seems so unlike your usual presence)   Achievements - yours or others - may better be acknowledged w/some greater caring/diplomacy...

    Companies continually "leapfrog" one another - and that's good for your client-users - is it not?   Advancements by one lead (most always) to advancements by others.   And I bet you that your marketing dept. is most aware of such competitive advances - and that the, "salt content" there is unlikely to reveal even a, "pinch!"

    As I've written here (so often) it's unlikely (impossible?) for one vendor - all the time - to have best/brightest feature/function set, stock, pricing, tech support, eval boards et. al.   Client-user's application - and price points - and availability all go into (sane) buying decision.  (attacking the advances of others...not so much...)

  • cb1_mobile said:
    Companies continually "leapfrog" one another - and that's good for your client-users - is it not?   Advancements by one lead (most always) to advancements by others.   And I bet you that your marketing dept. is most aware of such competitive advances - and that the, "salt content" there is unlikely to reveal even a, "pinch!"

     Hi CB1, After posting solution I discovered our battle is over from start....

     So We need analyse in deep all time a similar request come and refine stepwise to see what customer ask, I also think we have to stay away when someone ask for competitor alternative, ST I am not sure has DSP alternate and DSP arena in my knowledge  is from TI, Analog Device, FreeScale plus IP-cores on FPGA.

     What we have all missed is, as I wrote, analyse in deep request to avoid same error plague this forum. So a pinch of salt may be adequate to all us we answered me too I forgot this rule. See where customer live then apply strategy and don't enter one way only thin escape. Don't pretend a very huge electrical current crossing a thin superconductor do same on thick normal conductor when hot  ;)

     

  • Roberto Romano said:
    I discovered our battle is over from start....

    Roberto my friend - what battle is that?  This is a case where I am (unsure) of your content/meaning...

    My only visit - this thread - was to suggest that it is "unwise & unkind" to (seemingly) disparage the advances & achievements of others.  (and - having past worked @ that very, large semi-firm - I know that the "throw-away" (unconcerned comment) - uttered here - has (little) basis in fact!) 

    You and I are "all in" with the best, most proper use of this #1 forum.  Comment I targeted was "out of character" - may have indicated one here was having a "bad day."  My intent is never to be "mean" - but instead to sound an alarm...

    The nature of such post is outside my interest - as it impacts so heavily - "just this vendor." 

    But - a "less than well considered" remark may indicate a "beating down, a wearing out" caused (I bet) by the long, "Unguided usage of this forum."  (i.e. "I wanna, urgent, does not work" and completely devoid of any (necessary/insightful) details...)

    Pity of this is that you/I several others have predicted this - and presented (meaningful) alternatives.  Are 20-30 "back-forths" - just to harvest vital post data - the proper way to, "Run this railroad?"   Why does forum mgmt. "believe" that posters are sufficiently skilled, caring & experienced to create a useful post?  Do not, "facts in evidence" strongly counter that "belief?"   (I'd take - and surely win - such a case...) 

    Any forum which attempts to be, "all things to all people" runs very high risk of becoming, "few things to all!" 

    Is not that now happening - and is it not a shame - and is the wound not, "self-inflicted?"  (via forum's rejection of proper User Guidelines - and welcome of issues "far outside" normal/customary MCU usage...)   Pity...   And no half-baked MVP conference is needed to reverse this (unfortunate) rising (tidal-wave?) tide...

  • cb1_mobile said:

    Roberto my friend - what battle is that?  This is a case where I am (unsure) of your content/meaning...

    Hi BC1, this is wrong to comment out publicly so I sent you a message for main reason of our Custer position analysis  was, we forever don't send enough explorer to see what is and don't check as dangerous non return area. This is a non return area.

    cb1_mobile said:
    Any forum which attempts to be, "all things to all people" runs very high risk of becoming, "few things to all!" 

     Nothing more than agree we waste a lot of time on non focused or impossible arguments...

    cb1_mobile said:
    Is not that now happening - and is it not a shame - and is the wound not, "self-inflicted?"  (via forum's rejection of proper User Guidelines - and welcome of issues "far outside" normal/customary MCU usage...)   Pity...   And no half-baked MVP conference is needed to reverse this (unfortunate) rising (tidal-wave?) tide...

     I am so sorry but this is humane serve other regardless of position where is required on a business need forever select by skill and NDA.

     We are throwing all our knowledge sometimes implicitly NDA to a lot of screaming child need a nurse not engineer. A nurse can sing them a sleeping art, we are losing our power to do useful things in front of useless art we don't share to sing a poisoned dangerous  snake to  not bit us...

     Sorry to be cryptic but this is a non simple concept nor it is a secure area as required by what is inside..

     NDA is first requirement to have secure sharing of knowledge, public if has to be need be public reserved to at work only.

  • cb1_mobile said:
    Pity of this is that you/I several others have predicted this - and presented (meaningful) alternatives.  Are 20-30 "back-forths" - just to harvest vital post data - the proper way to, "Run this railroad?"   Why does forum mgmt. "believe" that posters are sufficiently skilled, caring & experienced to create a useful post?  Do not, "facts in evidence" strongly counter that "belief?"   (I'd take - and surely win - such a case...) 

     I also forgot this too...

     We have this value as "Guru" just as count of messages not real skill so one answering daily with non sense messages has same level of me and CB1 too and get exposed to scream and insult of recent one? This Child guru can get here by just hurt all us we wish a professional support this cannot do forever! Again our support is exposed to all our competitor too.

     Is this method of forum good? Is this a level or need be judged by level of how much is useful? So when I discouraged one use TIVA instead of dual core processor (less expensive) for medical image analysis count as the one write do a search or see if Pxx is locked?

     e2E again good idea, C2E C2C e2C doesn't work if not separated from by level, NDA and topic too.

     So Our battle was lost at first post, competitor to do what? Competitor has more than TIVA on chip but nor competitor nor TIVA are winner this special area application when as I wrote later just few firm can do job if you wish match answer in time.

     So is this arena similar to Arduino where an 8 bit can do real time FFT and also display on a TV set spectrum of audio?? Answer is ???..

     So can this do all is special DSP related? answer is again ???

     Think this and as Einstein puzzle 99 percent cannot solve.. We are 1% side talking to 99% so we have lost and we begin lose forever.

     Think also Monty Hall 3 door problem too.