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TMS320F28335: Questions on thermal metrics in the datasheet

Part Number: TMS320F28335

We often use thermocouple line to evaluate the thermal reliability of DSP according to the following steps:

  1. Measure the temperature at the top of the device
  2. Measure the power being provided to the device on the 1.8V and 3.3V supplies.
  3. Calculate TJ based on "TJ=TC+(Psi-JT*Power)" the lower your TJ is the better!

However, the value of Psi-JT is related to the structure of PCB,  it is difficult to get specific value or range. In other words, it is difficult to evaluate the junction temperature of DSP through case temperature.

It is mentioned in datasheet of DSP that the working environment temperature of DSP is  85 ℃. 

How to use thermocouple line to test the ambient temperature of DSP?

What are the specific steps?

Dengke

  • Dengke,
    You should look at the JESD51 standards. JESD51-2, JESD51-3, JESD51-7, and JESD51-9 apply to this device(as well as some others), but I think you will find JESD51-2 helpful.

    Regards,
    Cody
  • Cody,
    I have read the document of JUSD51-2.The conditions for the temperature test in the document are very strict.
    Is 85 degree in DSP datasheet tested under such conditions?
    This test method is not applicable in our application.

    Can you provide me with a workable way to evaluate the thermal reliability of DSP? The method does not need to be very precise, just a rough range. However, the selection of each parameter must correspond to the actual application environment and is convincing.

    Look forward to your good news .

    Regards,
    Dengke
  • Dengke,

    if you're just trying to get a good estimate, use a small gauge thermal couple and follow the instructions of the manufacturer for affixing it to the device. They typically have some recommendations and guidelines of how to get a good measurement. 

    Regards,

    Cody 

  • cody,

    In fact, the reason why I want to assess the junction temperature of DSP is that during the thermal test of an outdoor product, I found that the case temperature of DSP has reached 85 degrees Celsius. I asked the engineer of TI, they said the device's temperature should not exceed 85 degrees Celsius. The reason why they say so is that DSP datasheet indicates that the maximum ambient temperature of DSP is 85 degrees Celsius . According to them, I have to modify the thermal design of the product, which is very difficult. I have looked at the document semiconductor and IC package thermal metrics, which refers to the junction temperature that can really affect the thermal reliability of the device, so I want to use the case temperature measured by the thermocouple line to evaluate the junction temperature. However, it is very difficult to select the thermal resistance parameters corresponding to my actual use environment. I can not make a reasonable assessment of the junction temperature of DSP. It annoyed me.

    I did not see the instructions you mentioned that could guide me in thermal design assessment. Can you share it with me?
  • Dengke,

    What you have been told is true, you should not exceed 85C with a "A" part. One option you may have is to upgrade to a "S" or "Q" part with some minor PCB changes, these have higher temperature ranges.

    If you would like to continue to evaluate your junction temperature using your case temperature, Section 4 of SLUA844 describes what kind of thermocouple to use and how to attach it.

    Hope it helps,
    Cody 

  • cody,

    As you have told me before, the case temperature is very close to the junction temperature. That is to say, the case temperature can also be close to 120C. 85C refers to the working environment temperature, environmental temperature and case temperature is not the same concept, right?

    My question is not how to measure the case temperature, but how to evaluate the junction temperature after case temperature has been measured.

    In the thermal assessment of products, I need to set a maximum safety value for case temperature, rather than just knowing that it is similar to the junction temperature. I want you to give me some advice on what I should do after I measure the case temperature.

    regards,

    dengke
  • Dengke,

    your junction temperature will be very close to your case temperature IF you are drawing max current into the device. 

    Correct ambient temp and Case Temp are not the same. You should expect the ambient temperature to be the lower than case.

    dengke li said:
    My question is not how to measure the case temperature, but how to evaluate the junction temperature after case temperature has been measured.

    1. Measure the power consumed by the device "Power"
    2. Take case temperature that you have measured "TC"
    3. Look up Psi-JT from the datasheet 
    4. Plug the numbers into the following formula "TJ=TC+(Psi-JT*Power)"

    dengke li said:
    In the thermal assessment of products, I need to set a maximum safety value for case temperature

    1. Define your maximum power draw that you will see by the device in your system(likely less than max current)
    2. Define the thermal margin that you would like to have in your design( I don't have a standard margin here)
    3. Ensure that your TJ is acceptable at maximum power and and with your desired thermal margin applied.

    Regards,
    Cody