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20nH-200nH range inductance tester

I need a 20nH-200nH range inductance tester and I don't have any solutions. Is it possible to use simple scheme using RL or LC oscillation and an OpAmp oscillation and comparator to prepare data for voltage readings for MSP ADC to actually find exact value of an inductor? (less than 5% precision is required).

Thanks.

  • Three methods for measuring coils and capacitors come to my mind:

    • measuring the phase shift at a known frequency
    • measuring the resonance frequency with a known component (fixed capacitor in your case)
    • measuring the impedance at known frequency (or several frequencies)

    I would tend to the last method (personal preference), but used the first one to measure ferrite core material (in the upper uH range) some years ago.

    I'm no hardware guy, google (and the TI website) have probably better suggestions for the realization ...

  • Thank you, f.m.,

    I also saw in the Internet PWM-based solution.

    I am also not an analog-inductor-guy, because I don't have specific tests equipment for 100MHz-1000MHz range, which could cost me 1000$-10000$ for a unit.

  • I don't know the measuring range of this LCR meter, but I had this link saved in my bookmarks:

    Maybe it is interesting for you.

  • Thank you, Dennis, but this solution has 10kHz ceiling point.
  • I am also not an analog-inductor-guy, because I don't have specific tests equipment for 100MHz-1000MHz range, ...

    With proper selection of the "other" element(s) of the resonant circuit (the capacitor in your case), I would try to keep the frequencies in the 10's to 100's kilohertz range. Something the ADC could measure with more than two samples per period.

    To bring up another idea - I'm quite sure there are DVMs around with C/L measuring capability, and interface option. Buying might be cheaper than making here.

  • f. m. said:
    I'm quite sure there are DVMs around with C/L measuring capability

    You are right, but DVMs has 1mH lowest ceiling point it is 100000 times far away from what I need.

  • You are right, but DVMs has 1mH lowest ceiling point it is 100000 times far away from what I need.

    I remember DVMs going down at least to the uH range. One might expect some correlation between range and price ...

    A commercial LCR meter, even a used one, possibly ?

  • f. m. said:
    One might expect some correlation between range and price ...

    No, the range is quite tight: 20nH-200nH. So this is very narrow, but working frequencies for measurements are quite high.

  • No, the range is quite tight: 20nH-200nH. So this is very narrow, but working frequencies for measurements are quite high.

    You are right - such small coils would require large capacitors to pull the resonance frequency down, which is not recommended. Seems you are bound to RF equipment. I'm much less of an expert here.

    Perhaps the following way would be workable:

    • have a resonance circuit with a known capacitor
    • use a schmitt trigger to form a rectangular signal
    • use a counter/divider (hardware) to scale down
    • measure period (e.g. with a MSP43x), and map to inductance via frequency

    Then, I'm at my wit's end...

  • OK, thank you for your effort. I found some very expensive and very cheap solutions on the Internet. Since I need only very cheap (I don't expect good revenue from this action) modulation-based analog conversion solution , I probably will stop on one of that.
  • f. m. said:

    •have a resonance circuit with a known capacitor
    •use a schmitt trigger to form a rectangular signal
    •use a counter/divider (hardware) to scale down
    •measure period (e.g. with a MSP43x), and map to inductance via frequency



    Thank you, f.m. it is a very good idea.

  • Sounds perhaps simpler as it is.
    Designing an amplifier in the MHz range with a stable output amplitude is not trivial, neither is factoring in the parasitic capacitances/inductances and temperature drift. Don't ask me about that ...
  • f. m. said:
    parasitic capacitances/inductances and temperature drift. Don't ask me about that ...

    Don't worry, based on NASA promotion and prospective, even children from primary school can do that. ;)

    I already had thoughts about problems in implementation of a schmitt-trigger in 0.1-1.0GHz range.

  • I would pick "resonance circuit with a known capacitor" too.

    Gilbert cell as LC tank oscillator, feed output into lab frequency counter and that' s it. If you don't have counter then build one using ADF4002 as buffer and prescaler (route N-counter to MUXOUT pin) and obviously msp430 as freq counter.

    Literature: Impedance measurement handbook of HP/Agilent/Keysight. - Lot of good stuff regarding LCR metering.

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    >measure period (e.g. with a MSP43x), and map to inductance via frequency

    Better count periods during known time (1sec). It means prescaler shall just slightly divide frequency down from 20..200 MHz into what msp430 is able to count, 1..10 MHz

  • Thank you, Ilmars, for such a precise answer.

    Ilmars said:
    I would pick "resonance circuit with a known capacitor" too.

    I know. This is a challenge to test capacitance lower than 10pF (lower than 2pF is needed for this situation) because self capacitance by touching the isolated wires is around the same.

  • >lower than 2pF is needed for this situation
    In your case (LC tank oscillator) 100pF would result 113MHz at 20nH and 35.6 MHz at 200nH. Quite sweet spot I think. Just be sure to make proper fixture and get calibration inductor set. I would find someone with hi-end LCR bridge to measure for me couple of calibration inductors, perhaps regularily. Then I can get away with stable but not so precision capacitor. Oscillator will have parasitics anyway, so calibration of such instrument is must.

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