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DRV11873: Use of Schottky diodes

Part Number: DRV11873

Hi There,

Further to the topic discussed in this thread, I have not been able to go around the false lock problem. Therefore, we’re sticking to a lower speed of 14,000 rpm for now.

During subsequent testing, I’ve had many failures of the motor driver as our motor has a high inertial load. The back EMF generated when the motor is coasting seems to interfere with the driver particularly after removing and reconnecting power to the circuit or when the motor is disconnected and reconnected to the circuit (the motor needs to be removable in this application from the driver circuit through a 4 pin connector).

I’ve spotted a statement in the datasheet suggesting the use of three Schottky diodes between the three motor phases and ground when driving high current motors. What are the diodes needed for? Will adding these diodes help in this case?

Many thanks for your help in advance.

Regards,

Youssef

  • 1) Schottkey diode is used to stop to prevent phase voltage going below - 1 which is the abs min of DRV11873. This may happen when there is high current driven through the motor, which has an inductance portion, and when you suddenly stop driving the motor and the current through the inductor, there is a negative inductor voltage kickback that happens ( spinningnumbers.org/.../inductor-kickback.html ).
    This is mentioned in this e2e post e2e.ti.com/.../577721 .
    2) I cannot say if including these diode will help without me fully understanding what the problem you are seeing is, but it could be, since the problem happens when suddenly stopping driving the motor and then restarting. You can try it to fix your issue.

    3)
    The clarifications I would need to comment further would be:
    a) What does the failure look like, when does it happen, and is it indicated as a lock through the RD pin?
    b) when do you remove and reconnect the power and motor pins?
    c) Why do you think the bemf generated from the motor during coasting interferes with the motor operation?

  • Hi Sanmesh,

    Many thanks for your explanation. The diodes are simply fly-back diodes in this case.

    My answers:

    a) The failure seems to be a complete and permanent shutdown of the chip. In some case the chip can be restarted but fails to start the motor, which suggests that the half-bridge switches may be damaged. In other cases, the chip over heats and emits smoke.

    b) Failure seems to occur most commonly if the connection to the motor is broken during steady-state operation while running at the target speed and then trying to re-establish a connection while the motor is coasting down.

    c) I’ve made this assumption as failure usually occurs when I re-connect the motor while it’s coasting down. If I reconnect the motor while it’s stationary, the chip doesn’t seem to have a problem starting and running the motor in that case.

    Hope this clarifies the problem. I look forward to your response

  • so you are basically disconnecting the motor while the motor driver is spinning the motor, and then reconnecting the motor phases while the motor is coasting.

    1) The connecting and disconnecting of the motor can cause the inductor kickback in the motor and a high negative voltage, so the Schottkey diodes might protect against the kickback. Let me confirm with my coworkers.

    2) I know there is failure when reconnecting the motor while it is spinning, but is there failure when disconnecting the motor while it is driving? Any spark phenomena from driving current? Or does the motor go into lock?

    2) To circumvent this issue, is there a possibility to just stop driving the motor and waiting for it to stop before disconnecting?

  • 1) The causes of damage could be one of the following:

    a) Inductor kickback. Use the schottkey diodes to protect against this,

    b) Charge being pumped into the supply from the BEMF. Usually the device has AVS (Antivoltage surge) to stop this, but the driver may be in a confused state when the motor is suddenly disconnected. To protect against this, I would wait till the motor is stopped before reconnecting the driver.

    2) I know there is failure when reconnecting the motor while it is spinning, but is there failure when disconnecting the motor while it is driving? Any spark phenomena from driving current? Or does the motor go into lock? 

    3) When you disconnect the motor, make sure you put 0% duty cycle on the speed cmd before you reconnect the motor

    4) To circumvent this issue, is there a possibility to just stop driving the motor and waiting for it to stop before disconnecting?

  • I will close this thread since I haven't received a response. If you need further follow-up, please either reply to this thread or create a new thread.

  • Many thanks Sanmesh for your support.

    a) I have not had a chance to try using the Schottky diodes yet. I will attempt this shortly and I will follow up with my results.

    b) I’m currently using a diode in series with Vdd between the power supply and the driver to prevent voltage surging. This has worked well before with other drivers to prevent surging and damage to the power supply.

    2) generally no failure or sparks can be seen when disconnecting the motor while it’s being driven. The driver goes into lock on the RD pin when then motor disconnects and remains there.

    3) This is achieved as I am able to independently detect when the motor connector is unplugged. The micro-controller on board detects this events and sends a 0% duty on the PWM pin.

    4) Unfortunately it is not possible to prevent motor disconnection in this application as the device is hand held and therefore it is very likely that the motor can be unplugged by the user or accidentally at any time.

    I will get back to you after I’ve tested with the Schottky diodes.

    Regards,

    Youssef

  • Thanks Youssef.

    Like you said, the diode between Vcc and ground might help Vcc from not surging and thus help stop the issue.

    Im glad that the device correctly goes into lock and stays in lock when the motor is disconnected.

    Does the problem go away completely when using this diode between Vcc and ground? If not, how much does it help?

    Let me know when you try the  Schottky diodes on the motor phase pins

  • I will mark this resolved for now as I havent recieved a follow up, but if you need a followup, just reply to this thread