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UCC28070: UCC28070 simplis model

Part Number: UCC28070
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: PSPICE-FOR-TI, TINA-TI

Hello, 

It was mentioned in the forum that UCC28070 simplis model is available, where can I find this?

  • Hello Norman,

    Please refer to this previous E2E thread concerning an unreleased Simplis model for the UCC28070: https://e2e.ti.com/support/power-management-group/power-management/f/power-management-forum/996498/ucc28070-simplis-model-for-ucc28070 

    It is not clear whether that model has been thoroughly debugged or not, but you can give it a try.

    Regard,
    Ulrich

  • Hi Ulrich,

    Seems like both the start-up and ac model model is running, question is, will i get thesame result as the Spice model for the AC and start-up analysis?

    Do you also have the simplis transient model, we are designing a new PFC ckt usingUCC28070 and I wanted to get simulation results first before going into actual lay-out. This will help me focus on using the part instead of looking at other similar devices from different vendor.

    Thanks,

    Norman

  • Hello Norman,

    Since a transient model was not included in the .zip file, I suspect that TI may not have such a model but I need to find someone within TI who has access to unreleased models to verify. I may not get a reply right away, so please allow me a few days to search for this.

    Regards,
    Ulrich   

  • Thanks Ulrich, hoping to get feedback soon. By the way, if i do dynamic load on the o/p using the start-up model, will I expect an accurate results? or I will need a real "transient model" to get what I really need to see during dynamic loads?

    Thanks,

    Norman

  • Hello Norman,

    I finally got access to the modeling repository, and I confirm that the AC model and the Startup model are the only two Simplis models available for UCC28070.  Since startup is a fairly dynamic process, I imagine that that model should also be able to handle dynamic loading after startup is complete, although it may take a long time to simulate.  

    As mentioned earlier, these two Simplis models are unreleased and as such I cannot vouch for their accuracy or completeness.
    They are provided to you "as is" and hopefully will result in useful simulations for your application.

    At this point, I will need to close this thread.
    Regards,
    Ulrich

  • Thanks Ulrich, do I expect a formal TI release for these 2 simplis models so we can rely on the results moving forward? it really helps a lot on my side to tune out the loop and see the start-up behavior and even see the dynamic response but I'm just worried on the results since TI is confirming it's accuracy.

  • Thanks Ulrich, do I expect a formal TI release for these 2 simplis models so we can rely on the results moving forward? it really helps a lot on my side to tune out the loop and see the start-up behavior and even see the dynamic response but I'm just worried on the results since TI is not confirming it's accuracy.

  • Hi Norman,

    I am not aware of any plans by TI to release the Simplis models, or to expand them or do anything with them. Perhaps they were part of an effort several years ago that was interrupted by circumstance and never got finished.  Somebody found them in the development repository and offered them up for another customer's issue, as seen in the snippet of your first post.  Being made aware, I have done basically the same thing.  

    The only models TI will support are the older TINA-TI and the newer PSpice-for-TI models publicly available in the product folder: https://www.ti.com/product/UCC28070?keyMatch=UCC28070&tisearch=search-everything#design-development##design-tools-simulation
    I suggest to download the PSpice-for-TI simulator and run the Average model for your dynamic transient response.

    Regards,
    Ulrich

  • Understood, thanks Ulrich, by the way do you have running PSPICE ckt for both start-up and average models. I'll just probably need to learn how to use it but will help me a lot if i can have a working spice simulations for both start-up and average models for UCC28070 for my reference, i'll start with that

    Thanks,

    Norman

  • Hi Norman,

    I don't have Pspice loaded so I don't know what is in these models specifically, but usually our models have a basic topological test bench circuit included with the device model. In this case, it would be a working interleaved boost-PFC power stage along with the UCC28070 controller.  A copy of this stage can then be modified as needed to match your specific design targets. 

    Granted my exposure is limited, but I have not seen a model that did not include both the controller and a power stage being controlled.

    Regards,
    Ulrich

  • Thank You for your support Slight smile