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BQ76200: Slow turn off curve

Part Number: BQ76200
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: BQ76952

Hi all,

I have noticed that the BQ76200 in combination with the mosfets i'm using turn off very slow. I think this is due to the fact that the Vgs(th) of my mosfets are between 1,2 and 2V. Which is very low. 

The turn off time looks very similar to this post: https://e2e.ti.com/support/power-management-group/power-management/f/power-management-forum/797982/bq76200-turn-on-off-timing-improvements-for-gate-drive-short-circuit-protection-failure?ReplyFilter=Answers&ReplySortBy=Answers&ReplySortOrder=Descendin

Because of that my mosfets fail during a short circuit (SOA curve can't handle the slow turn off time).

As i can see in that post, he starts to use a PNP solution by someone of TI's recommendation (https://www.ti.com/lit/ml/slua618a/slua618a.pdf?ts=1671075384344&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.ca%252F)

Would it be possbile to replace the Qoff (pnp) transistor with a P-mosfet, or has this more disadvantges? And to avoid a large inductive spike, would it be possible to put resistor in series with the transistor to regulate the turn off time?

Best regards,

Jan

  • Hello Jan,

    Yes, you'd be correct that the lower the Vgs(th) is, the slower the FET turn-off.

    Would it be possbile to replace the Qoff (pnp) transistor with a P-mosfet, or has this more disadvantges?
    It is possible to use a P-FET instead of a PNP transistor, and actually it has been done so before. An example of this can be seen in the DSG FET circuit of our reference design using one of our battery monitors (The BQ76952), you can fine the reference design here: TIDA-010208 (Q28/D38). This is for a different device, but the logic for the turn-off circuit should be the same.

    You will want to have a P-FET that has a lower Vgs(th) than that of your NMOSFETS, to ensure that the turn-off PFET is able to fully turn-off the N-FETs. 

    To avoid a large inductive spike, would it be possible to put resistor in series with the transistor to regulate the turn off time?
    Yes! And this is what we also do with our turn-off circuits. You can add a series resistor in your PNP/PFET transistor path in order to control and adjust the turn-off speed of the FETs. We have added resistances in our designs to do so, even in the example shared above.

    If you want to see an example of an NPN turn-off circuit, you can see this in Figure 5-2. Multiple FET Test Circuit With Local Current Loops of our application note for the BQ76952: Multiple FETs with the BQ76952, BQ76942 Battery Monitors

    Best Regards,

    Luis Hernandez Salomon

  • Hello Luis,

    I have tried this solution (circuits around Q28) with mixed success:

    Initially when i turn this on, then Pack+ goes up, but when i turn off Pack+,then Pack+ and DSG (BQ76200) both go to Bat+.

    When i remove Q27 (which is there for negative voltage protection), then it can turn off. The circuit for Q27 is based upon this application note:

    https://www.ti.com/lit/an/slua796/slua796.pdf?ts=1671579155245&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.ti.com%252Fproduct%252FBQ76200

    (see figure 4)

    The measurements points are indicated in the schematic. 

    The inital part of the turn-off curve is already better.  (there is only a load of 2kohm attached to it for testing purposes.)

    The power mosfets = NVMFS6H824NL

    Q28 = DMG1013UW-7

    Q27 = BSS123IXTSA1

    It seems that when i am using Q27 that there is somekind of feedbackloop active. Can you see what I am missing here?

    Best regards,

    Jan

  • Hello Jan,

    I will answer this on the new thread you created!

    Best Regards,

    Luis Hernandez Salomon