TWL6030 just shuts down after power up

Hi Ole,

We are also facing the same issue in our board. We are using TWL6030B1AACMR in our board.

Please let us know the complete part no. of the PMIC and have you have resolved it

Best Regards,

Hariseran 

Hi Hariseran, hi Ole,

we are having exactly the same problem with our board! The PMIC we are using is  TWL6030B107CMR and the processor is OMAP4430 ES 2.2

I will be really appreciated, if you have solve  this problem!

Best regards,

Hans

Hi Ole, Hans,

Yes we have resolved the issue. In our PMIC TWL6030B1AACMR primary watchdog timer was there. Watchdog timer expects all the PMIC outputs has to be available. We were not using VCORE3 SMPS and VMEM SMPS and connected the respective Feedback voltage to ground. So we connected some voltage to that feedback and it started working.

Thanks,

Hariseran

Hi Ole ,

  Could you please tell me do you have any solution for this issue , you got yet ?

I am facing issue almost similar , But I couldn't get 1.8V ramp up too .

Regards,

Aneesh

Hariseran,

     your point is correct I guess you also following the ref design as panda.  they did same as Vcore3 and vmem are not used and Fb for those connected to GND .

and Datasheet of PMIC (TWL6030) also suggested same , if unused connect Fb pin to GND . So I guess may be some option to discard this situation instead of giving voltage to this balls ?

in my case I can't do this since I din't taken out this balls .. connected to GND in top layer itself under the BGA . :(

Hi Aneeshkumar,

I wanted to try the modification Hariseran suggested. But It's the same here. I connected the FB balls to gnd, this connection is under the BGA now. I'm waiting for replacement chips which have the watchdog disabled. But I'm not sure that this is the solution.

I also contacted our TI FAE on this topic, he is checking this right now.

Sadly also the TESTEN pin is also inaccessible in my design, this pin can also disable the primary watchdog.

I hope the FAE will come up with a solution, If I have a solution I will post immediately.

Right now I have supplied my board voltages externally via a bench supply. So my board is working fine. But the PMIC still makes me grey hair.

Ole.

P.S. I checked my supplier and my Chips should be P/N TWL6030B107CMR.

 Hello Ole ,

I was facing some BGA Soldering issue , once i solved that  now I am also in same stage as you face ,and I have the same part TWL6030B107CMR .

But as per the TWL6030 datasheet , this part is Primary watchdog disabled . how you concluded this is watch dog  reset any particular observation for this ?

Regards,

Aneesh

Hi,

I was just guessing the watchdog is the problem. The "on time" of my PMIC is very reproducible every time I power cycle the board. This does not look like a "analog" problem to me. Even VRTC and 32k osc seem to work fine. Waking up the PMIC via "PWRON" pin works, but just for some milliseconds.

Hope TI FAE will come up with some solution or idea.

Regards, Ole.

Hi Ole and Aneesh,

I and Hariseran work in same project. As per my observation there is short circuit protection inside PMIC which will trigger the primary watchdog to shut off the PMIC with in 10 ms(except for VRTC). I could see only feedback on each SMPS as sense line to detect short circuit and in our design we have grounded these FB lines (VMEM and VCORE3). I know this is contradicting, as datasheet recommends to ground the FB lines but other than this I don't see any explanation. We also used PMIC without watchdog in previous design and there was no problem even though feedback is grounded.

Regards,

Suhas M

Hi Suhas,

So I see my options are: New PCB with unused FB pins not connected GND, or a TWL6030 replacement with watchdog disabled. Do you have a list of available EPROM options / part numbers? I think the EPROM is not user programmable.

Regards, Ole.

Hi Ole , please see the list of parts

Thanks for the list, I recently ordered TWL6030B107CMR as samples. Today I replaced my TWL with one of the samples. The problem still exists.

So sadly no news here.

Ole.

Hi Ole,

Have you referred the schematics of Panda board with omap4460 or omap4430. There are some differences in the power connection of core1,2,3 for both these OMAP devices with the PMIC TWL6030. 

Suhas told that the TWL6030B107CMR cannot be used for OMAP4430 as mentioned in the above table.

Best Regards,

Hariseran

Hi Aneesh,

Thank you for your detailed reply. I just ordered some TWL6030B1A4CMR from ti. I will post my results as soon as I get the devices.

Thanks!

Best Regards, Ole.

Hi Ole ,

  I am seeing one  behavior with my design , VMMC   Voltage is not present on fresh boards and it will enable once we boot the board with USB OTG. after that it  is enbled while power up itself .

Since you also have the same design , please let me know you faced this issue  , or you have any update on the same .

Regards,

Aneesh

Hi Aneesh,

No. On my fresh Boards I can initially Boot from MMC. So VMMC is enabled. VMMC will not be enabled if PMIC IC is not configured my OMAP romcode. Since I'm not using USB otg, I cant tell you more. 

But I would check the bootsource options. If MMC is not a selected bootsource, the romcode will not enable VMMC I guess. 

Regards, Ole.

Hi Experts,

I met similar problem.

TWL6030 just shuts down after power up when input power voltage is lower than 3.9V, and keep working when input power voltage is higher than 3.9V

We use OMAP4460 and TWL6030(Part number is TWL6030B1AA) in our product. 

Detailes are below:

When dubugging, we use AC2DC Power Supply to connect the TWL6030 SMPS input and LDO input and VBAT PIN.

I find that when the voltage of power Supply is lower than 3.9V, TWL6030 just shuts down after press the Power Key( connect to PWRON pin).

when the voltage of power Supply is higher than 3.9V, TWL6030 can keep SMPS and LDO output after press the Power Key.

(Note: Because the watchdog version is used, 32s later, all the power output will disappear if watchdog counter is not changed.)

I even change TWL6030 BOOT0 setting to change the threshold of VBATMIN_LO and VBATMIN_HI. But the results are same.

Please help find the problem. Thanks.