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BQ2970: BQ2970 reverse polarity issue

Part Number: BQ2970
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: BQ24295, CSD16301Q2, CSD,

I was previously told that in the event of a reverse polarity condition the BQ29700 will hold the charge FET in the off state. The body diode of the discharge FET is forward biased so the state of the discharge FET gate does not matter. It turns out that the BQ29700 does not do a very good job of holding the gate of the charge FET in the off state... I implemented the BQ29700 with ECH8697R back to back N channel FETs as external protection for a 3.7V 18650 lithium ion cell on the battery output of a BQ24295 switching charger. When you insert the battery backwards the discharge FET body diode is forward biased and the charge FET Vgs is held around 0.9-1.0V. Unfortunately, this allows the charge FET to conduct a very large current (>1A) and dissipate a very large amount of power.

Note that the ECH8697R has a Vgsth of 0.5-1.3V which is slightly lower than the CSD16301Q2 Vgsth of 0.9-1.55V (used on the eval board), but I wouldn't think that changing to the CSD FETs would fix this issue. With all of the reverse current paths removed from our circuit the BQ29700 is able to hold the charge FET in the off state, but then there's no circuit to protect.

Is there anything that can be done to fix this issue? A separate reverse polarity protection FET could be added between the battery and the protection circuit, but the protection circuit really shouldn't need a protection circuit!

  • Hi Brian
    You need the separate fet for reverse polarity protection as it appears you were misinformed that the bq2970 offers reverse polarity protection.
    thanks
    Onyx
  • Hi Onyx, it was actually you that had incorrectly informed me about the charge FET being off during a reverse polarity event, but at least now I know it's not a defective part...

    After thinking about the situation some more, a potential solution could be to add another N channel FET (with very low Vgsth) across the gate-source of the charge FET as shown in the attached schematic. If the battery is reversed then current starts to flow through the body diode of the discharge FET and through the high resistance of the charge FET, but Q2's Vgs rises above its threshold and it pulls the charge FET's gate to its source to turn it off. This causes VSS to drop which further enhances Q2, ensuring that the charge FET is off. Do you see any potential issues with adding this FET?

  • Hi Brian,
    My apologies for that misinformation. Can you pls point me to that post so i correct it .

    The scheme you have is what is applied to most of our other gauge schematic. See schematic in the user guide below:
    www.ti.com/.../sluubp4.pdf

    Q2 in your schematic is a p-channel fet though your description says n- channel.

    thanks
    Onyx
  • Hi Onyx, the original question/answer is here: e2e.ti.com/.../743371

    Thanks for showing that FET addition to the BQ27750 high side protection device, I hadn't checked out that device or its user's guide before. Note that the extra FET in the BQ27750 EVM user's guide is on the high side discharge FET with the gate to the charge ground, but the idea is similar for the low side charge FET.

    Q2 on my schematic is the same symbol as the back to back FETs, which are all N-channel with the body diode shown for clarity.