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LMG1210: Can we use this gate driver for 3-level flying capacitor buck

Part Number: LMG1210
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: BQ25910

Hi Jeff,

I am trying to simulate a 3-level flying cap buck with the LMG1210. I am not able to drive the topside MOSFET with it. Please find the attached simulation file. Is there any special configuration that is required to drive the top side MOSFETs (like level shifter). Can you please look in to this issue and help me in trouble shooting this.

Thanks

SrikamnthThree_Level_EPC8010_V1.3.TSC

  • Hi Srikamnth,

    Thanks for reaching out on e2e for this TINA simulation issue,

    I am in progress of investigating this issue and now I believe everything is switching normally when I have removed VG3 which is driving the flying cap as well as made the inputs on the high side half bridge complementary so that they are not overlapping..

    I copy pasted VG8 (hooked it up in reverse) and called it VG7 for complementary high side half bridge inputs (the low side half bridge was operating correctly when I tried running each half bridge individually when debugging this schematic).

    VG3 was making the supply for the bootstrap VIN_3 (with respect to VC+) oscillate on and off so I got rid of it. This voltage, VCBST1 should remain relatively stable at 5V.

    I attached the updated TSC. Let me know if you have any questions.Three_Level_EPC8010_V1.3-2_removed VG3 updated VG7.TSC

    Thanks,

  • Hi Jeff,

    Thanks for your kind response. But I still have the following concerns.

    You have removed VG3 that is driving fly cap. Does it have any interaction with the gate drive output pulses? Moreover, it's not supplying bootstrap VIN_3 (not related with VG3) as there is a diode in reverse direction

    In this application, I am operating the converter with duty cycles greater than 0.5, which requires an overlap of high side half-bridge gate pulses. please let me know if this overlap causes any issues.

    And each of the half-bridge has its high-side(HO) level shifted but not the low side(LO).   Does it affect the LO of high side half-bridge which is driving MOSFET T2?

    Thanks

  • Hi Srikamnth,

    With some further investigation the outputs overlapping is ok. VG3 appears to prevent the top switch from operating.See below image how the bootstrap cap voltage operates with and without VG3.

    The purpose of the flying cap is to reduce the inductor ripple current for higher efficiency?

    What is the purpose of VG3? in all of the 3level bucks I found I dont see anything driving the flying cap.

    For a 3 level buck converter the duty cycle is constantly changing so that the flying cap voltage = VIN/2?

    Check out a TI training video I found on 3 level buck that helps with understanding more details about operation.

    Thanks,

  • Hi Jeff,

    You are right on the flying capcitor. But the reason that I connected a DC voltage source is to maintain half the input voltage across the capacitor as there is no controller to control the fly cap voltage.( I  have recently started using TINA and it will take signifcant amount of time to implement the control for me)

    I tried by removing VG3, and I am able to see all the gate pulses but still the top side devices are not able switch. And also the boot cap voltage acorss the bottom half bridge is increasing more than 5V.

    Can you please give me any simulated 3-level fly cap buck converter with with any type of gate driver and switches to speed up our design process.

    Thank you

  • Hi Srikanth,

    Thanks for the update, let me look into an existing simulated 3 level buck design with respect to gate drive and input control and update you.

    Thanks,

  • Hi Srikanth,

    I just wanted to update you and let you know I found that we have the 3 level battery charger buck device BQ25910. Have you considered this device? What application is this for?

    There is however no simulation tool to see control waveforms however the datasheet and product folder contain all theory of operation and design files for getting up and running with a 3L converter using BQ25910. There’s also a webench model for efficiency calculations as well as a excel calculation tool to help make some basic 3L calculations. Let me know if you have any questions from this material so I can further help out with your LMG1210 simulation.

    Thanks,

  • Hi Jeff,

    We are planing to desighn for high power and switching frequency. So we can't use BQ2590 for our application.

    I am also trying various other Gate driving configurations which I can't share in open forum. One of these configuration have gate pulse coming out from the topside HO but the device is not able to switch.  Can I get direct mode of contact (e-mail) to share my SPICE simulations. Or you can reach out to me at my email:srikanthyerra5@gmail.com

    Thanks

    Srikanth

  • Hi Srikanth,

    Thanks for the update, lets take this thread offline. I will think this thread as resolved so we can continue our investigation over email.

    Thanks,