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TPS24741: Switch from AUX to Main

Part Number: TPS24741

Hi Expert,

Customer use TPS24741 to ORing and hotswap between two 12V rails. The system voltage 12V is working fine(won't reboot) when switch from main to aux. However, when switch from aux to main, Vsys will reboot. Would you please provide some suggestions how to translate smoothly without system voltage drop? Thanks.

Oring_TPS24741_copy.pdf

Yellow: system voltage12V

Green: 12Vaux

Red: 12Vmain

Yellow: system voltage12V

Green: Vgateaux (U60 pin4 in the schematic)

Red: Vgatemain (U63 pin4 in the schematic)

Allan

  • Hi Allan,

    Can you please share the schematic for this design.

    Also, is there a way that you can measure current in each path ?

  • Hi Praveen,

    Schematic was attached already. We will try to do current measurement and let you know.

    Regards,

    Allan

  • Hi Allan,

    Thanks for sharing the schematics. For me to review the schematics, I would require the design specifications for this design.

    To check the design SOA margin and design feasibility, can you please get filled up design calculator from the customer and share it with me for review. The design calculator is available at : http://www.ti.com/product/TPS24742/toolssoftware . 

    Please go through the videos in below link before using Design Calculator.

    https://training.ti.com/node/1133677

    https://training.ti.com/node/1133673

    https://training.ti.com/node/1133664

    https://training.ti.com/node/1133681

    Also, please share waveforms with current measurement in each path. This will help us a lot in finding the root cause of the issue.

  • We measure system current, system 12V, U63 GATE voltage as follow picture this morning.

    When we plug out and plug in power module, system will reboot high probability .

    The left white circle in picture, we don’t know why U63 GATE close after open shortly.

    Our current is not enough to trigger OCP, are there have any other conditions to close U63 GATE?

     

    Thanks

     

    Yellow line: system current

    Green line: U63 GATE voltage

    Purple line: system 12V

  • Hi Al Chang,

    Can you please help with the following,

    • Explain how you are forcing AUX turn OFF and MAIN channel takeover ? Also, the voltages on each rail during switch over ?
    • System Current is the sum of current flowing in Main and Aux channels, right ? We would like to see the current flowing through each channel because this is important to know if there is negative current flowing in any of the channels.
    • Please share the filled design calculators for each rail. Links to the design calculator and training videos shared in previous post.
    • Looks like you are sharing the gate signal of ORing FET. Please probe gate signal of the Hotswap FET. 
    • Please share waveforms as below during switch over from AUX to MAIN,
      • Main Channel: Vin, Vout, Iin (Main), Hgate 
      • Main Channel: Vout, Iin(Main), Bgate , Hgate
      • Aux Channel: Vin, Vout, Iin (Aux), Hgate 
      • Aux Channel: Vout, Iin (Aux), Bgate , Hgate

    Sorry for asking so much information but we require them to find the root cause for drop in output voltage during switch over from Aux to Main Channels. 

  • Explain how you are forcing AUX turn OFF and MAIN channel takeover ? Also, the voltages on each rail during switch over ?

    Al:we plug in the Main power (the power is up during this time) the voltage should be 12V

    System Current is the sum of current flowing in Main and Aux channels, right ? We would like to see the current flowing through each channel because this is important to know if there is negative current flowing in any of the channels.

    Al:yes ,we will try to measure the current 

    Please share the filled design calculators for each rail. Links to the design calculator and training videos shared in previous post.

    Al :as attach file

    Looks like you are sharing the gate signal of ORing FET. Please probe gate signal of the Hotswap FET. Al : we probe the How Swap gate ,when our system reboot the ORing and HOT SWAP gate is turn off at the same time 

    Please share waveforms as below during switch over from AUX to MAIN,

    Al:ok

    note that when our system reboot, the TINR and TFLT is always low

    and we can saw that is gate is off, the restart time is about 1.9ms 

    7585.TPS2474x Design Calculator_RevA .xlsx

  • Hello Sir:

      we measure the waveform  

    Main Channel: Vin, Vout, Iin (Main), Hgate 

    Yellow line: system current

    Green line: Main 12V

    red line: system 12V

    Purple line: Hgate

    we got 2 different situation here

    1.system will reboot 

    2. system will not reboot

    we can see that the system reboot because the 12V in system got power drop cause the gate for main is turn off

    ,some time the gate for 12V  main  is not close, in that moment our system is keep working,but we didn't why will cause 

    this happened?? do you know how to keep the   TPS2474 always workinig on  situation 2 (system not reboot)

    thanks

  • Hi Al Chang,

    Please see attached updated design calculator. The design is robust with CSD16415 FET.

     0714.7585.TPS2474x Design Calculator_RevA .xlsx

    One way  to avoid the 1.9ms delay is to Enable the Hotswap after some delay of say 5ms. You can do that by delaying the ‘Oring_MOS_PSU2’ signal which is given to the ENHS pin of TPS24741 using MSP430