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INA3221 compression with low currents

Part Number: INA3221
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: INA301, INA226

Hello,

I need your support in order to assess the performances of INA3221 with 1 and 10 mOhm shunt resistors @ 1V VBUS towards the low output swing.

What is the shunt unbalance by which the current sensed makes actually sense?

thanks so much for your support.

Best regards

GZ

  • sorry, I meant 1mOhm and 10 mOhm shunt resistors.

    regards

    G

  • Hello Giulio,

    Thanks for considering to use Texas Instruments.  When you say shunt unbalance, are you referring to the input bias currents?  According to figure 12 of the datasheet, that will matter more for higher common mode voltages, especially if you have large tolerance filter resistors between the shunt and input pins.

    As for the low output swing. This is not an analog output device, but rather an I2C output, so you will not have a low output swing limitation (or at least you will not have a limitation relating to shunt, but rather your communication lines).  However there is an input swing limitation.  Or a minimum current level or sense voltage that can be resolved.  The dominant factors for this minimum resolvable current are the shunt LSB size (40uV) and the input referred offset votlage.  It turns out in both of your cases that the offset voltage (≤80uV) actually may be higher than the LSB step size (40uV typ).  Below are calculations I used to determine the min current requirement imposed by either requirement. For offset I assume you can accept 10% error, which would be found at the lowest measurement and would only get better with increasing current. Offset Error (%/100) = Vos/Vsense_min=Vos/(Rshunt x Imin).

    rshunt (ohm) 0.001 0.01
    Vos_max (V) 8.00E-05 8.00E-05
    Vos Error (%/100) 0.1 0.1
    Imin (A) 800.0E-3 80.0E-3

    Table 1: Imin for 10% error from offset, assuming worst offset

    rshunt 0.001 0.01
    LSB (V) 40.0E-6 40.0E-6
    Imin (A) 40.0E-3 4.0E-3

    Table 2: Imin according to LSB, assuming no sources of error present

  • Thank you Patrick.

    Infact I was actually referring to the opamp of the INA3221. As I've seen with INA301 (https://e2e.ti.com/support/amplifiers/f/14/t/903660  a few millivolts unbalance between positive and negative input are necessary in order to properly unbalance the opamp. I guess that similar considerations apply to the input stage of INA3221, which I intend to be the analog part that feeds the device's ADC.

    My questions stem-out for we are evaluating in our prototype both the Stand alone solution (INA3221 or similar e.g INA226) intrinsically slow because we need to fetch the converted data out via I2C  vs the solution with Current Sense (the likes of INA301) + the MCU's ADC.

    The latter is very fast but there's sure compression at low currents (Below 1A) as shown in the following pic  ( see the link I posted just above) when the input current ranges from 0 up to 1A with RSense =1mOhm.

    What I am asking you, in addition to your previous considerations,  is if you see the same problems with INA3221 input analog Stage.

    thanks

    G. 

  • Hey Giulio,

    I suspect that the swing to gnd limitation on our opamp is lower than the output generated from the Vos, but I will check with our design team.  As for the point Javier made for CMRR, that also applies here as Vos actually relates to CMRR.  In this case the measured sense voltage with no actual load would be (Vos + CMRR x (12-1V))/Rshunt =  (80uV+(10^(-110/20))x(12-1V)) = 115mA for 1mohm and 11.5mA for 10mohm (assuming max Vos).

  • Thank you Patrick,

    This feedback is very valuable for us.

    Best regards

    G.

  • Hello Giulio,

    I spoke with one of our designers and he confirmed this a different architecture than the INA301 and he said that as it leverages an ADC for the measurement you will not have the same swing to ground limitation you would have with our typical amplifier current shunt monitors.  He also confirmed that Vos will be the limiting factor for the minimum current level that can be measured.  As I stated above Vos is influenced by CMRR, so you will need to include that in the calculation.

  • Thank you Patrick.

    That was clarifying.

    Best regards

    G.