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EMB1499Q: emb1499Q can be charged, but not discharged

Part Number: EMB1499Q
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: EMB1428Q

hi,

Previous problems remain unresolved,EMB1499Q can charge, but can't discharge.

Pretty sure it's not a software problem, EMB1499Q only need two control signals, EN and DIR, no other complex control logic.

charge is no problem, why discharge is not work?

identical schematics, It would have worked,changed PCB,And then it went like this,can charge, but can't discharge.

EMB1499Q,Are there any strict conditions? or any subtle conditions?

  • Hello, 

    Thanks for your question. The EMB1499Q device was designed to be used together with EMB1428Q device, and not by itself. There is a handshake that needs to happen between these devices through the EN, DIR, DIR_RT, DONE and FAULT signals to be able to operate and communicate fault conditions. 

    Best regards,

    Leslie

  • hi Leslie,

    We've tested that,EMB1499Q can be used by itself,Just give these two signals,EN and DIR, charge and discharge both work well.

    Now this test board, schematics not be changed, only PCB be changed, but it can charge,can't discharge.

    Best regards,

    Jun

  • Hi Jun, 

    If I understand correctly, you designed a board that works ok (both charge and discharge) and then you designed a 2nd board in which only charge works. Is this correct?

    What exactly did you modify on the 2nd PCB? Please review the "PCB Layout Recommendations" section of the device datasheet.

    Regards,

    Leslie

  • Hi Leslie,

    You understand exactly.

    2nd PCB adjusted the position of the components,The degree of adjustment is minimal.

    Device datasheet, which has been studied over and over again,Nothing was found to be wrong.

    Regards,

    Jun

  • Hi Jun, 

    Does this happen on only 1 board or do you have multiple boards that have the same issue? 

    Regards,

    Leslie

  • Hi Leslie,

    It's the same phenomenon on multiple boards.

    Regards,

    Jun

  • Hi Jun, 

    I would recommend to check the FAULT[2:0] pins on the device to see there is a fault happening. Description can be found in the "Fault Detection and Fault Codes" in the datasheet. 

    You can also use an oscilloscope to compare the signals from the working board and the not working board and identify any differences.

    Best regards,

    Leslie

  • Hi Leslie,

    I had  checked the FAULT[2:0] pins, The measurement is [000], It means no FAULT.

    I've also measured waveforms on an oscilloscope,

    Below is the waveform of the HS1 and HS2 when open discharge:

    Below is the waveform of the HS1 and HS2 when open charge:

    The waveform of discharge does have a problem by the results, but I don't know why.

    In addition, I'll describe the phenomenon again : when discharging, the Secondary Side(cells) is already consuming energy,but Primary Side is no power.

    Best regards,

    Jun

  • Hi Jun,

    Thanks for the data. I'll check the plots and get back to you within the next couple of days.

    Regards,

    Leslie

  • Hi Jun,

    It's interesting that you are not seeing any fault in the device. The discharge signals do look different than expected. Since the device is not triggering a fault, I would recommend to focus on the board components or any traces/connections that might be different between your new board (not working board) and your older version of the board (working board) by testing both. I recommend to compare the signals on both working and non-working boards to find any differences and trace the problem that way. You can use signals on figure 7 in the datasheet as to how the 4 signals (GATE_LS, GATE_HS1, GATE_HS2, PWM_CLAMP) need to look when discharging.

    Regards,

    Leslie