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PROCESSOR-SDK-AM64X: USB0_ID Floating pin

Part Number: PROCESSOR-SDK-AM64X
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: AM6442

Dear Sir,

According to sprsp56e_Datasheet am6442 Sept 2022 revE.pdf and schematic of EVM GP & SK board, USB0_ID should be left floating for dual role purpose (OTG).

We are design an industrial solution based on AM64, and for EMC immunity reasons, it's hard to let a floating net.

I understand that we may use an external resistance connected to VSS, which allow to handle OTG using a micro AB connector.

Am I right? if yes, what should the pull down resistor value?

Thanks for your help

  • Hello Thierry HAUSER

    Thank you for the query.

    Please refer to the below TRM section and let me know if this helps.

    12.2.4.2.2 USB Subsystem Application
    As the USB controller modules present in this device are DRD (Dual-Role Devices), they can support operation as either a USB Host or a USB Device. The operational mode determination is made based on the state of the USBn_ID pin; when this pin is grounded, the controller will operate as a USB Host, when this pin is left floating, the controller assumes the role of a USB Device. For implementations that do not require DRD functionality, the USBn_ID pin can either be left floating or can be grounded in the board design depending on the static role required. For implementations that do require DRD functionality, the USBn_ID pin should be connected directly to the corresponding ID pin on a USB Micro-AB socket. In doing so, the USBn_ID pin will be correctly terminated (open or grounded) depending on the cable attached and the controller will enter Host or Device mode accordingly.

    Regards,

    Sreenivasa

  • Thanks Kallikuppa for your answer,

    Is it possible to have an electronic diagram of this pin interface (current generator and voltage sense) in order to have a better confidence into a floating net in term of EMC immunity?

    Thanks for your reply.

  • Thanks Kallikuppa for your answer,

    Is it possible to have an electronic diagram of this pin interface (current generator and voltage sense) in order to have a better confidence into a floating net in term of EMC immunity?

    Thanks for your reply.

  • Hello Thierry HAUSER

    Thank you for the inputs.

    I see 2 similar messages. I assume you did not want to add anything additional.

    Is it possible to have an electronic diagram of this pin interface (current generator and voltage sense) in order to have a better confidence into a floating net in term of EMC immunity?

    Can you please elaborate the requirement.

    What is the device configuration in your system?

    Regards,

    Sreenivasa

  • Hello Thierry HAUSER

    I have captured the offline discussion below

    Customer input 

    Yes we would like to  implement Dual Role function with micro AB connector in order to support OTG feature.

    USB_ID pin will be connected to micro AB connector. So when no cable connected or in case of USB device role, this pin will be floating.

    How to ensure that AM64xx electronic pin manage EMC immunity on such floating net? (how strong is internal current generator).

    TI reply 

    You should only connect the ID pin to VSS or leave it open.  There is an internal current source that gets turned on when the controller need to determine the resistance of the ID signal to ground.  The voltage developed across the ID resistor is measured only when the current source is turned on.  The internal resistance measuring circuit is designed to be compliant to the industry standard ID resistor values defined in the USB specification.  Connecting any resistance other than the recommendation may produce unexpected results.

    Regards,

    Sreenivasa

  • Hello Thierry HAUSER

    I am adding the additional discussion 

    Customer Query

    The internal resistance measuring circuit is designed to be compliant to the industry standard ID resistor values defined in the USB specification” does it means that this resistance measurement is compliant with Battery Charging Specification, Revision 1.2 March 15, 2012 :

     Or only resistance measurement related to MicroUSB Specification to the USB 2.0 Specification, Revision 1.01 April 4, 2007 :

    TI reply

    The limits defined by the Battery Charging specification apply.

    I am closing the thread.

    Regards,

    Sreenivasa