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AM6422: Alternate IBIS model for better RGMII drive strength

Part Number: AM6422

Hi,

I have used this IBIS model sprm730c.ibs for the RGMII SI analysis for our AM6422 based design.

We are observing the rise time and fall time issues during the SI analysis and even monotonic failure in some test cases.

Refer below snapshots of the simulation.

Can you suggest any alternate IBIS model for the simulation or a way to increase the drive strength to meet the rise and fall times?

Thanks

Parthan

  • Hello Parthan

    Thank you for the query.

    Can you try with 1.8V IO levels.

    I am checking internally with the expert.

    Regards,

    Sreenivasa

  • Hello Parthan

    sprm730d.

    An updated version of the model is available on TI.com.   sprm730d. 

    Please use the updated model.

    Here are some additional inputs from the simulation expert:

    We don’t support any other drive strength besides the nom value for LVCMOS buffers as that is the only one at which chip-level STA has been closed. I believe this corresponds to a 40-ohm driver. The IBIS model has been updated to contain only those drive strengths where we have closed timing internally. The customer should check the impedance of the board traces and ensure there are appropriate termination resistors near the sink, where the waveforms appear to be captured. The absence of proper termination nearby will degrade signal integrity at the sink.

    Regards,

    Sreenivasa

  • Hi Sreenivasa,

    Thanks for your inputs...

    Can I get the SI analysis reports for the TI AM64B starter kit for reference?

    https://www.ti.com/tool/SK-AM64B

    Regards,

    Parthan

  • Hello Parthan

    Thank you.

    Please note that the board level simulations are performed by different simulation teams. Board level simulations have been performed for this EVM.

    I do not have a test report to share.

    You will have to reach out to the TI sales you are working with to get access to any simulation information that may be available since these are classified as NDA documents.

    Regards,

    Sreenivasa

  • Hi Sreenivasa,

    Thanks for your inputs...

    We have tried the SI analysis test with the 2 new models available with TI (sprm730d & sprm810)

    But we could able to achieve a rise and fall time around 1ns.

    Refer below images for reference.

    We have 3 RGMII interface on board with routing length approx. 2 inches, 1.6inch and 1 inch and also termination resistors available in the RGMII TX lines. 

    We have tried multiple termination values of 0E,10E,22E and 33E, but still couldn't able to achieve rise and fall times below 0.75ns

    One more workaround we have done is we have used a different IBIS model from a different SOC family design where same PHY IC was used and with that we could able achieve rise and fall time targets.

    Refer below image for reference.

    With this observation we feel that the issue might be with the IBIS model only

    Based on this we need few clarifications on below:

    1) What is the drive strength value currently being used in the IBIS models?

    2) Is there any way to increase the drive strength at software side if we require it in board bring up or design validation phase?

    3) Is there any other workaround or IBIS models to be tried out in our SI analysis?

    Regards,

    Parthan

  • Hello Parthan

    Thank you.

    Please use the below model for all your simulations 

    SIMULATION MODEL

    AM64x SR2.0 IBIS Model

    SPRM810.ZIP (1889 KB) - IBIS Model

    1) What is the drive strength value currently being used in the IBIS models?

    2) Is there any way to increase the drive strength at software side if we require it in board bring up or design validation phase?

    I guess there is one fixed drive strength. We do not support changing the drive strength.
    3) Is there any other workaround or IBIS models to be tried out in our SI analysis?
    Did you try simulating with 1.8V IO supply voltage.
    Regards,
    Sreenivasa