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TLVM23625: Output Ripple Calculation and Webench Discrepancy

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Part Number: TLVM23625

Tool/software:

Hi,

We are currently evaluating TLVM23625RDNR under the following conditions and would like to confirm the validity of our manual ripple voltage calculation as well as understand the discrepancy with the Webench simulation output.

【Conditions】
Vin = 24 V, Vout = 3.3 V, Iout = 2.5 A, Fsw = 800 kHz
Output capacitor: Effective capacitance 43 µF, ESR = 3 mΩ (from Webench)
Inductor: 2.2 µH internal


■ Q1: Could you please confirm whether the following calculation approach for output ripple voltage is appropriate based on the operating principles of TLVM23625RDNR?

① Inductor current ripple ΔIL
ΔIL = (VIN - VOUT) × (VOUT / VIN) / (L × Fsw)
= (24 - 3.3) × (3.3 / 24) / (2.2 µH × 800 kHz) ≒ 1.62 A

② Output ripple voltage ΔVout
ΔVout = ΔIL × (1 / (8 × Fsw × Cout) + ESR)
= 1.62A × (1 / (8 × 800 kHz × 43 µF) + 3 mΩ) ≒ 10.75 mV (p-p)

We would appreciate it if you could let us know whether this method and assumptions are valid for this device architecture.


■ Q2: Meanwhile, under the same conditions, Webench displays "Vout p-p = 6.44 mV", which is noticeably lower than the manually calculated result.

TLVM23625RDNR Webench

We suspect this discrepancy may be due to the following factors, but we would greatly appreciate clarification on what is actually taken into account in the Webench simulation:

  • Frequency-dependent ESR modeling or parasitic effects

  • Effective ESR optimization with parallel MLCC configuration

  • Ripple suppression through internal compensation loop

  • Averaging effects or waveform shaping in simulation models

Thank you very much for your support and guidance.
Conor

  • Hi Conor,

    That equation is an approximation based of a linear model that assumes an approximate linear relationship between output capacitance and ESR to output ripple. It does not account for duty cycle in the calculation and is thus a bit flawed for determining the precise output voltage ripple that you would see from the device. This app note delves into more detail on the errors that you may see between that calculation and the real world/simulative result: https://www.ti.com/lit/an/slva630a/slva630a.pdf

    Webench models are based more closely with the device's characteristics through many real world test waveforms. However, webench is still employing an approximation. While I would expect webench to more closely reflect the reality of that device's output ripple when compared to the linear model equation, a bench test would be the most sound result for your "real world" output voltage ripple. This is due to the fact that variances do exist within the inductor, temperature, effective output capacitance, ESR, etc. These all play a role in output voltage ripple to some degree, but if you are looking for the most sound approximation, this likely lies with webench.

    Thank you,

    Joshua Austria