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L138 DDR2 Layout -- yet more questions



Greetings--
To continue on Zheng's topic of last month:
I'm using one x16 DDR2 part with L138-ZWT.

1.  The datasheet specifies length mismatches (Tables 5-36,37,38), but my layout tool is "helping" by
equalizing in time units.  I've extracted the inner layer tpd rate at 6.8 ps/mm, which appears about right.

 Is there an underlying time sync spec to these path match values? 
I'd like to be able to verify the layout paths with only 2 conversions rather than 3.

2.  Is there an ETA for the new Hawkboard design?  After spending weeks trying to do this in 6L, I'm finding 8L
is still no slam-dunk:  The 456MHz part needs 5 supplies (S3v3A, S3v3B/C, S1V8, S1V2, and CVDD(1V3) )
... and this doesn't jibe well with DDR2 routing, which might well be possible in 3L, but not by me....

The only references I'm aware of, the 1808EVM and SOM designs, are 12L and 10L, and I'm getting, uh, resistance at that suggestion.

3.  The BGA design Wiki has an error (sorry, sort of OT, but it was a little misleading.) 

http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/General_hardware_design/BGA_PCB_design

The table for Feature sizes for Standard BGAs shows 20 mil vias with 5/5, and 18 mil vias with 4/4.

.... You cannot put 5/5 routing between 20 mil vias at 0.8mm pitch.  You can escape the top layer pads
(first 2 rows ) with 5/5, but not the vias.  

Even 18mils is cutting it too close for DRC: you've only got 31.5 mils to work with, for escape routing.
My board vendor was much more willing to do 4/4 with 20/8 vias than other options.

4.  Finally, could someone possibly review my DDR2 section design? 
Forums and SI-List are littered with tales of designers with decades of experience crashing and burning with DDR2. 
As a noob to this level of complexity, I'm sweating getting this right: multiple repeated turns are not an option.

Many thanks in advance, gurus!

 

  • 1) The length mismatches contain enough margin so that the propagation speed differences between layers can be ignored.

    2) Yes the new hawkboard design is finished. We currently haven't set up a place to host the design files yet, but if you message me I can send it to you directly.

    3) I'll let the table creator know this.

    4) Its really not as hard as it may seem. The "crash and burning" only seems to happen when the layout rules are completely disregarded. If you take care of the most important parts of the guidelines, such as the ones listed in this checklist it will work.

    Jeff

  • Thanks Jeff--
    If there's a certain amout of margin already in there, I'll sleep a little better.
    That is,  I might get some sleep.  ;-)

    -- Joe

  • About the Wiki, yes, good catch!  When I wrote it, I was thinking about putting things in order (largest to smallest), but I didn't think about how the table would be read, and you're right, it doesn't make sense.

    I'll correct this soon.  Thanks for letting us know.

    Keven