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WEBENCH® Tools/LM5000: webench unable to simulate 30Vin - 36Vout - 300mA : "This CC is running too long etc."

Expert 7280 points
Part Number: LM5000

Tool/software: WEBENCH® Design Tools

LM5000

Dear team,

Could you please help me understand why webench refuses to select LM5000 when choosing these parameters:

  • 12Vin to 30Vin
  • 300mA out

The comment regarding why the part was not selected is the following : "This CC is running too long and being terminated by the system before it finished".. what does it mean ?

I think LM5000 should work perfectly with these requirements, but webench is making me doubt..

Many thanks in advance for your help!

All the best,

PA

  • Hi PA,

    I was able to create the design based on your desired input conditions. Maybe there is a caching issue with your browser. Could you please try to clear browser history and try again.

    Here is design I ran from the product page: webench.ti.com/.../SDP.cgi
  • Hello Howard,

    Thank you very much for your support.

    The issue is when Vin = 30V, Vout = 36V (and Iout = 300mA), I have the following message:

    Thanks again!

    Best regards,

    PA

  • Hi PA,

    The issue looks to be a bogus error message given by WEBENCH. The proper error message should be " The IC Tj has exceeded 125 deg. C." I will request our developer to take a look.

    To get around this issue, please lower the ambient temperature by 10 or 20 below the room temperature to recreate design. Here is the shared design again with Ta=0 deg. C. webench.ti.com/.../SDP.cgi

    Thank you for pointing out this issue and we will get this corrected ASAP.
  • Hello Howard,

    Thanks again.

    I don't think this is the issue here, since the higher the input voltage goes, the lower the IC dissipation is (as it's a boot, Duty Cycle is lowering ans Vin goes up, and since the LM5000 is an async converter, the internal FET as less to dissipate: both less time and less current).

    Please have a look at bellow extract from your test, where I modified the operating point to 30V, and where we can see the IC temperature raise is pretty limited:

    Best regards,

    PA

  • Hi PA,

    I agree that at higher Vins, the IC should be cooler.  But, there is a dynamically temperature loop in the CC looks at the full Vin range and it failed the temperature check. 

    As you can see below, the OpVal shows 124 deg C with Ta=25 Deg. C which just met the cutoff line of 125 Deg. C.  Using default Ta=30 Deg. C,  the design fails to create with a given conservative Theta JA value of 150 Deg.C/W.  

    So, I don't see this as an issue with WEBENCH but it's a conservative design tool which it has the flexibility to create the designs with forced input conditions.

  • Hello Howard,

    Understood! Thanks a lot for your support, and have a nice week-end!

    Best regards,
    PA