TI E2E Community
Precision Amplifiers Forum
OPA227 Open Loop Pole Locations
What are the locations of the open loop pole frequencies of the OPA227? I estimate there is a low frequency pole at about 0.08Hz but most op amps have at least one more pole at a frequency higher than the unity gain frequency of the op amp.
I ask because I am designing a low noise composite amplifier with a discrete BJT differential pair front end. The OPA227 will serve as the second stage amplifier taking the differential output of the first stage from the BJT collectors. I must know the composite amplifiers open loop response to properly compensate it. I know the open loop response of the discrete first stage and now only require the open loop response of the OPA227 second stage.
Since the Gain Bandwidth Product (GBW) of OPA227 is 8 MHz, the dominant pole location, f1, will be a function of DC Open-Loop Gain (AOL) where f1=8.0e6/AOL_DC; thus, for the typical DC AOLof 160dB (1.0e8) the dominant pole would occur at f1=8.0e6/1.0e8=0.08Hz but for the minimum DC AOL of 132dB (4.0e6) it would occur at 8.0e6/4.0e6=2Hz.
However, it is the high-frequency pole(s) that determine stability of the overall system as they cause the phase margin to shift from 90 deg to or below zero at the effective bandwidth frequency of the system - see AOL graph below. In case of OPA227 there also must clearly be a high frequency zero (flattening of AOL curve) followed by at least two high frequency poles but these could be simplified as a single high frequency pole having the same effect on a phase margin - since a single pole causes a phase shift of 45deg at the location of the pole while in the case of OPA227 at unity-gain frequency of 8MHz the phase is shifted by only 30deg (from -90 deg to -120deg), the location of the high frequency pole would have to be around 16MHz. Of course, as mentioned before, this is over-simplification of the actual system and to analyze stability of the system one also needs to know the open-loop output impedance of OPA227 (not given) at the frequency of its effective bandwidth. For that reason, the best approach is to apply a small signal (100mVpp square waveform) and to make sure that the output does NOT overshoot by more than 25% assuring at least 40 deg phase margin - see table below.
Short of doing that, the best way to analyze the system is to use the OPA227 macro-model provided on TI website and to simulate various loading effects - I have attached it in this post for your convenience, or to use the Small-Signal Overshoot vs Load Capacitance graph below to assure 40% overshoot or less for any given combination of gain and capacitive load.
Marek LisSr Application EngineerPrecision Analog - Burr-Brown ProductsTexas Instruments - Tucson
All content and materials on this site are provided "as is". TI and its respective suppliers and providers of content make no representations about the suitability of these materials for any purpose and disclaim all warranties and conditions with regard to these materials, including but not limited to all implied warranties and conditions of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose, title and non-infringement of any third party intellectual property right. TI and its respective suppliers and providers of content make no representations about the suitability of these materials for any purpose and disclaim all warranties and conditions with respect to these materials. No license, either express or implied, by estoppel or otherwise, is granted by TI. Use of the information on this site may require a license from a third party, or a license from TI.
TI is a global semiconductor design and manufacturing company. Innovate with 100,000+ analog ICs andembedded processors, along with software, tools and the industry’s largest sales/support staff.