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High reliable part

Genius 14579 points
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: PGA305, PGA300, INA271-HT

Hi Experts,

Good day.

We would like to ask your assistance in looking for high reliable parts for this current to conversation.

Client need to measure the pressure using our op-amp with a pressure sensor (2 wire), working voltage 24v dc and signal is 4 to 20mA.

Can you suggest an op-amp part and a ref design (if possible) also?

Thank you.

  • Hello,

    The PGA300 or PGA305 do provide a full system capable of working with a pressure sensor input and outputting on 4-20mA current loop. However we do not have any hi-rel options for this series of PGA devices.

    Are they looking for an entire solution with linearization, or are they just trying to convert a pressure sensor voltage output directly to a 4-20mA output?

    Regards,

    Scott

  • Hi Scott,

    Thanks. The client is actually asking for a high reliable OP-AMP device only for their application with "Emerson PT5N pressure sensor".

    Any solution on this?

    Thank you for your support.

    Regards,
    Archie A

  • Hi Archie,

    Thanks for the clarification. I'm going to pass this along to someone from an amplifier team that can better help with this request.


    Regards,

    Scott

  • Hi Archie,

    Perhaps a review of the HiRel Product listing of Amplifiers would be useful:

    https://www.ti.com/applications/industrial/aerospace-defense/products.html

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    There are several Current Sense amplifiers list, such as  

    INA193A-EP 
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     ~Leonard   
  • Leonard, Artzy,

    As intuitive as it seems given the 24V common mode here, current sense amplifiers are typically not used in 4-20mA applications because of the size of the shunt resistors typically utilized for these systems against the increased nature of the input bias currents seen across them. 

    For the INA193-EP or INA271-HT, the minimum sense voltage generated must be kept above 20mV for normal operation, and the linear operating region is 20mV to 100mV, meaning the most accurate information will be obtained there. Basing the application on a 5Ω shunt which would map the input range exactly to the linear operating range, this is what the error curve would look like:

    Before taking any other error into consideration, just from the device itself, the error when measuring 4mA would be 19.53%, down to 4.03% at 20mA for the INA193-EP. The error for the INA271-HT is off the chart. 

     It looks like we've looped the precision amplifier group into the conversation. I would see if they can recommend a part here that might perform a bit better in the application. Does the customer have access to supplies that would cover the input common mode range of a standard op amp here?

  • Hi Archie,

    Highly reliable part? Are they looking for an entire solution with linearization, or are they just trying to convert a pressure sensor voltage output directly to a 4-20mA output?

    If you are talking about 2-wire 4-20mA current-loop transmitter, XTR116/XTR117 product family may work for the application. In addition, we have other integrated IC products with the transmitter that has integrated with analog gain stages, such as XTR106PGA309 and other integrated programmable 2-wire transmitters for pressure sensing applications. 

    What is the 2-wire transmitter application for? In terms of highly reliable part, can you be more specific? Are you referring to temperature operating range, long term stability data and/or other related reliability information. For instance, XTR117 has passed IEC 61000-4-x tests and it is reliable and immune to EMI/EMC signal interference, and it should work well against a typical industrial operational environment. 

    https://www.ti.com/lit/ug/slau526/slau526.pdf?ts=1637359385654&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F

    https://www.ti.com/lit/ug/tiduao7/tiduao7.pdf?ts=1637360256399&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F

    Best,

    Raymond