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INA240: Minimum Bandwidth for Current Sense Amp in DCDC Converter

Part Number: INA240
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: INA186, INA293

Hi there,

I'm looking for some guidance on selecting a current sense amplifier for measuring the input current to a Buck DCDC converter. This measurement will be used for MPPT and efficiency calculations. Here is some basic circuit info:

Vcm: 0-100V

Max current sense resistance: 1mOhm

Preferred Gain: >= 50V/V

Input Current Range: 0-50A required (0-66A allowed by 1mOhm sense resistor, G=50 current sense amp, and 3.3V reference)

AD Converter Precision: 12 bits (~16mA/bit)

AD Converter Sample Frequency: ~30kHz

DCDC Converter PWM Frequency: ~200KHz

DCDC Converter Output Voltage: ~12V

Low Side or High Side measurement is acceptable.

Here is a quick example:

I am familiar with most of what causes error in amplifiers like this (Changing Vcm, Vos, etc.),  but I am struggling to determine the minimum bandwidth I need for this system. I am worried that if I pick a current sense amp with a low bandwidth (such as the INA186), it will respond too slow and won't accurately reflect the input current. The INA240 has a higher bandwidth than the INA186, but I still wonder if 400KHz is enough. The INA293 bandwidth is getting better at 1.3MHz.

This topic is discussed a little in Chapter 3 of slyy154a.pdf:

A common approach to this measurement is to select
a current-sense amplifier with a wide bandwidth. In
order to stay above the audible frequency range, the
typical modulation frequencies range from 20 kHz to
30 kHz. Amplifier selection for making in-line current
measurements in these PWM-driven applications targets
amplifiers with signal bandwidths in the
200 kHz to 500 kHz range.

This is in reference to fast changing Vcms, but I believe it is still relevant. It seems like they are recommending a bandwidth that is 10 times the PWM frequency.

The need to accurately and quickly detect the load
current through a low-side shunt resistor is a critical
application required for overcurrent protection, faster
feedback control loops, accurate battery and power supply
monitoring....

Low-side current-measurement applications traditionally
have used a dedicated current-sense amplifier, precision
amplifier or general-purpose amplifier connected to an
external sense resistor. However, in applications where
you need to detect small high-speed transient pulses,
these devices tend to lack the adequate bandwidth
needed to replicate the pulse accurately in a single gain
stage.

To further complicate this, the sample frequency is only ~30KHz (which is synced with edges of the PWM). I believe this topic boils down to the following question:

Should I come up with a high bandwidth solution so I can measure an accurate instantaneous current, or should I choose a lower bandwidth solution and let it naturally average the input current for measurement?

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Phillip

  • Hi Phillip,

    Here are some thoughts, which I hope can help clear things up a bit.

    As you noted, current sampling frequency is decoupled from the PWM frequency. They are different things, with the former determined by ADC operation and can be arbitrarily fast or slow.

    It is possible to implement cycle by cycle low-side current measurement for PWM frequency of 200KHz. However a decently fast amplifier is needed, even though a closed-loop bandwidth of 2MHz is not necessarily a must. The ADC and the rest of system must be fast enough as well, in order to take advantage of the fast current measurement capability.

    It is unlikely that real-time measurement is needed however, furthermore the payback may not be worth the cost. Measuring DC or average current can probably satisfy the MPPT requirement. Unless there is a strong argument against it, this is the route I would focus on.   

    Regards, Guang

  • Hi Guang,

    Thank you for the prompt reply and for the insight. Considering this is for MPPT, I figured that this would be the response. Spicing with the INA186 shows its output accurately reflects the average input current, so I'll go with that for now.

    Just so I am clear for future designs, in what cases would you need a faster current sense amp? DCDC converters using CMC?

    Thanks,

    Phillip

  • Hi Phillip,

    INA186 is an excellent choice for performance/cost.

    You’re right that in current mode control, real time inductor current measurement may be needed. Other examples include certain over current protection applications and motor controls.   

    Regards, Guang