LM13700: Burst noise is generated.

Ryu Yamashita

Expert 2090 points

Part Number: LM13700

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Hi team,

We have confirmed that only one channel of this product generates burst noise.
I assume it is a component-specific problem, but is there any possibility of such an occurrence?
Also, have you ever confirmed such an occurrence in the market?

Regards,

Ryu.

28 days ago

0 Ashley Kang 28 days ago

TI__Genius 11200 points

Hi Ryu,

Do you have an oscilloscope image of what this burst noise looks like? How is the device configured?

Regards,
Ashley

+1 Ron Michallick 28 days ago

TI__Guru*** 143186 points

Hello Ryu,

Burst noise in bipolar process usually occurs due to an imperfection in a silicon wafer. All wafers are imperfect. If this imperfection shows up in the active area of a transistor in the input stage, then that amplifier could show burst noise. This occurrence should be rare and only affect one channel.

0 Ryu Yamashita 27 days ago in reply to Ron Michallick

Expert 2090 points

Hi Ron,

Thanks for the reply.
Can't find them in shipping test?
Is there any way to prevent this?

Regards,
Ryu.

+1 Ron Michallick 27 days ago in reply to Ryu Yamashita

TI__Guru*** 143186 points

Ryu,

Ryu Yamashita said:
Can't find them in shipping test?

Noise tests are expensive. Catching burst noise is even more expensive because you have to wait for it to happen.

Ryu Yamashita said:
Is there any way to prevent this?

Inescapable reality.

What percentage of samples have excessive noise? How many samples do you consume in production? How much extra would you pay for screened noise devices? I'll forward this this information to the decision makers.

0 Ryu Yamashita 26 days ago in reply to Ron Michallick

Expert 2090 points

Hi Ron,

Thanks for the reply.
I understood.
By the way, do you know what is the probability of occurrence?

Regards,
Ryu.

+1 Ron Michallick 26 days ago in reply to Ryu Yamashita

TI__Guru*** 143186 points

Ryu,

In the over 20 years that I have supported this amplifier, I think this (burst noise) has been reported twice (including this time).

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