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LM324B: Question about how to use LM324B.

Part Number: LM324B

Tool/software:

Hello guys, 

One of my customers is considering using LM324B for their new products.

They have the following question.
Could you please give me your reply?

Q1. When LM324B is in power down (no power applied),
    is it allow to apply any voltage to OUT pin?

Q2. If Q1 answer is yes, how much voltage can be applied to OUT pin?

Your reply would be much appreciated.

Best regards,
Kazuya. 

  • Hi Kazuya-san,

    Q1. When LM324B is in power down (no power applied),
        is it allow to apply any voltage to OUT pin?

    Per LM324B, here is the absolute max. ratings.

    Although it did not say explicitly in this particular datasheet, less than 300mV at the unpowered op amp's output (e.g. < ±0.3V) may be considered safe. An unpowered op amp's output should have high output impedance behaviors, however, internal to each pin, ESD protection diodes are present. If forward biased voltage to the internal diodes are exceeded, the diode will start to conduct and potentially it will cause damages to the op amp. 

    ESD events are such example, but the duration is very short and internal ESD protection diodes are designed to handle the short duration energy spikes without damaging the op amps. 

    Q2. If Q1 answer is yes, how much voltage can be applied to OUT pin?

    Less than ±300mV may be considered safe and current has to be limited within a few mA. Are we talking about continuous voltage presence at the output of an unpowered op amp? There is another factor, which is time. Over a long duration, such stressed condition may degrade the op amp slightly, but I do not want to speculate. 

    If you have other questions, please let me know. 

    Best,

    Raymond

  • Hi Raymond,

    Thank you very much for your reply.

    I understood that it is not allowed to applied 300mV or more voltage to OUT pin.

    Could I ask you the following for just make sure?

     Q. Is it allow to apply any voltage to IN+/IN- pin when LM324B is in power down (no power applied) if the voltage is less than 40V?

    Thank you again and best regards,
    Kazuya.

  • Hi Kazuya, 

     Q. Is it allow to apply any voltage to IN+/IN- pin when LM324B is in power down (no power applied) if the voltage is less than 40V?

    For LM324B, the input has the same voltage threshold, which is less than 300mV when it is unpowered. Please keep in mind, the op amp is low cost general purpose op amp, typically it does not have high voltage protection feature in the product level. 

    If you are looking for high voltage protection op amp when an op amp is unpowered, please consider OPA2206 or OPAx206 series. The output voltage protection remained the same. 

    There are others, but you need to provide us the application requirements. Many of our instrumentation amplifiers have these input overvoltage features. 

    If you have other questions, please let me know. 

    Best,

    Raymond

  • Yes, the LM324B allows positive input voltages up to 40 V, even when unpowered.

  • Hi Kazuya, 

    Clemens is correct. Thanks for the correction!

    The part's input is able to withstand up to 40Vdc, if the input current is limited, typically is within ±10mA, though it did not specify in the datasheet. The evidence comes from this block diagram. 

    If you have other questions, please let us know. 

    Best,

    Raymond