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INA101: i

Part Number: INA101
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: INA149, INA848, RES60A-Q1

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I want to design  a current amplifier for measuring current through motors buy using shunts

the motors are DC 

AC 3 phase motor

AC Pwm motors

frequency 0-300k

current 0-5A

voltage between lines can reach up too 680v AC

output of amplifier 0-+- 10v 

can be also an amplifier with supply voltage of one polarity better 2 polarities

  • Hello Sammy,

    You may want to use a difference amplifier for this application, however, if you are doing inline current sense, and the common-mode range is switching quickly, you may begin to see distortion due to the amplifier feedback loop being unable to adjust for the change in common-mode. Please see the below thread on a similar application.

    https://e2e.ti.com/support/amplifiers-group/amplifiers/f/amplifiers-forum/1473923/ina149-ina149-saturation-during-half-cycle-with-0-to-180v-common-mode-voltage/5691478?tisearch=e2e-sitesearch&keymatch=INA149#5691478

    Unfortunately, we do not have a higher speed difference amplifier capable of large common-mode voltage swings, and even the INA149 cannot support all the way up to 680V AC.

    The INA149 is the highest voltage difference amplifier we currently have.

    Building a solution for this discretely would be difficult, since you will need substantial attenuation, which requires large resistance, which will introduce a low-pass filter due to the large resistance and the small input capacitance of your device. For example, using the RES60A-Q1 and the INA848, you will see a -3dB point at 471kHz just based on the input resistance of RES60 and the input capacitance of INA848. This does not include any capacitance from the RES60. Using smaller value resistors will mean that you have less effect from the capacitance, but will now have some extra power loss through the resistor divider.

    Discrete circuit with simplified RES60

    Transient Simulation:

    AC Simulation

    Best,
    Gerasimos

  • Thx 

    in case of 3 phase motor when I measure 3 phase high voltage I need to reduce the impact of high voltage by RES60A-Q1 

    it can be also be placed when the motor voltage is low ?

    I have measured before a 3 phase motor by shunt and there was an explosion should the ground be separated  meaning each line with different power supply different ground or the resistors of RES60A-Q1 will avoid explosion

    show me please a design how to make measurement of 3 phase motor 

    what is the gain of the Ina848 and how do you calculate it?

    what is the highest frequency I can get and does the gain stability depends on the frequency

     if I want to measure the current of 5A that comes from a current sensor output is it a different design if yes please show me