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Using XTR family to sink current coming in on V+ on multiple channels

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: XTR117, XTR111, XTR115

I am trying to use XTR117 in an application to control the current like a 4-20mA transmitter.

The trick is that the external sensing circuitry is not on the IO pin, it is on the V+ pin.

So in this case, there is the 24VDC loop power supply, the sensing circuit (250 ohm resistor), then the XTR117, and the IO pin goes back to the loop power supply (-).

I have multiple XTR117's connected to a single octal DAC. I am not connecting anything to the VREG pins of the 8 XTR117 parts.

What should I do with IRET?

I want all the of the current that comes in on the V+ pin to go out the IO pin, because in my circuit, the measuring device is on the V+ side of the part, not the IO pin side.

I think IRET has to be grounded so that it is the same potential as the DAC reference ground.

But will having mulitple XTR117's connected to the same ground allows for currents to flow in or out of the IRET pin causing problems for my controlled current coming into V+?

It looks like the part really wants to control the current coming out of the IO pin. that will work for me if I can make sure that all the current going into V+ comes out the IO pin.

In my current design, all 8 IRETs are connected together along with the GND from the octal DAC.

Is that a problem?

  • Hello Winston,

    This sounds like an interesting application, thanks for using TI products. 

    If you're familiar with 4-20 mA loop systems, the XTR117 is a "2-wire" transmitter.  This means the intended operation of the device is to be remotely located from the loop supply and return with all of the sensor/signal conditioning powered between the local VREG and IRET pins.  The input signal will be scaled such that the desired output range of 4-20mA (or other) is achieved.

    With any 2-wire current loop, the current around the "loop" is constant.  Therefore the current delivered into the V+ pin of the XTR117 will be equal to the current out of the IOUT pin.  Therefore, placing the sense resistor between the loop supply and V+ of the XTR117 will produce accurate results.  It is uncommon to operate this way because the sensing circuitry is required to have a common-mode voltage that includes the loop-supply which is typically more difficult than sensing on the loop-return side where the common-mode voltage is GND.   

    Although your idea of sensing the current on the loop-supply side will work,  it will be a problem if you connect the IRET pins of any of the XTR devices together.  Since the XTR devices are meant to be remotely located, the intention is that the input circuitry is fully powered between the VREG and IRET pins of the XTR and will float in relation to the +loop supply and loop-return.  This is required because as the output current changes, so does the voltage on the IO pin.  Therefore, if you tie the IRET pins to each other or loop-return then the operation of the circuit will fail to produce the desired output range and device damage may occur.  If you look at the block diagram of the device this becomes apparent because if you connect IRET and IO signals both to GND, then you've effectively shorted out the 25 Ohm sense resistor (R2) inside the XTR that is used to regulate the output current of the BJT.  As expected this will result in unintended circuit operation.

    As shown in the datasheet if the desired operation is to use a DAC then the two common options are to isolate the analog output using an isolation amplifier or use a locally powered DAC and isolate the digital communication going to it. 

    So I'll conclude by asking if you really want a 2-wire transmitter for this application, or if it could work with a 3-wire transmitter such as the XTR111 which is meant to be operated with an input signal that is referenced to the main GND of the IC.   

  • Hi collin

    Can i use XTR115 as 3wire sinking? ??
    or as Isolated? ?? 

  • Collin,

    Thanks for the reply, I am not sure why I did not see this earlier.  I am putting together some test equipment, and need to put my "transmitter" in various parts of the loop.  n the most generic case, there is the the V+ of the loop, the sensing resistor, then my "transmitter", then a current limiting 100 ohm resistor, then the return line back to GND of the V+. individually isolated channels seems the best way to go. I get how to isolate the digital signals to the DAC, but can you describe the "isolation amplifer" to isolate the AO signal a bit more?

  • Hi Winston,

    There are a few posts recently regarding which of TI's digital isolation products will work in a 2-wire system, here's one of them:

    http://e2e.ti.com/support/amplifiers/precision_amplifiers/f/14/t/258994.aspx?pi73727=1

    I believe the ISO7241E was the device selected.

    An analog isolation amplifier could be used to isolate the output of the DAC from the input to the XTR.  However, TI does not make any analog isolators that can be powered from a 2-wire loop so this solution may not be the best.