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current output schematic

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TLE2142A, XTR116, XTR110, XTR111, XTR300, TL082, TL084, OPA192, TINA-TI

Hi, Team.

I had been asked opamp and Current Output Equation (I load) by Mitsubishi which is industrial company in Japan.

I'm supposed to suggest good opamp for its schematic and tell them I load  equation.

I think that TLE2142A can be working and its offset voltage is lower than their opamp

*currently ADI Opamp is the device what customer has used

(Datasheet is  www.analog.com/.../ADTL082_084.pdf)

[could you check the their schematic ?]

the following circuit's I load should be changed by changing RL.

they want to know equation as well the opamp which is better than ADI.

is below equation correct ?

on top of that,

I think that XTR116 is good device for their purpose, isn't it ?

  • Hi Masa,

    Do you know what application the customer is using this circuit in?  If this circuit is intended to create industrial current outputs, the customer could consider the XTR300, XTR111, or XTR110.  The XTR116 probably won't work because it is a 2-wire transmitter and the customer circuit requires a local GND which moves them to a 3-wire solution.

    While this circuit looks complex at first glance, it can be simplified into an op-amp with a current boost transistor circuit on the output which is being used in a Howland Current Pump configuration.  Components R7, R8, R9, R10, R11, TR1, and TR2 form the output current boost circuit.  Components R1, R2, R3, R4, R5 and R6 form the Howland current pump.

    Here is the original circuit and output for a 0-10V input voltage.  0-10V input creates a 0-21.77mA output current:

    The circuit can be redrawn and simplified by removing the output current boost circuitry and by combining R4 and R6 into a single resistor.  This is shown below.  Notice that the output current is exactly the same as the previous circuit for a 0-10V input:

    The transfer function for the Howland current pump is shown below.  The top line is the un-simplified transfer function for the circuit above.  If R1 is set equal to R3 and R4 is set equal to R2+RS then the equation simplifies to what's shown at the bottom where Iout = Vin*(R2+RS)/R1*RS:

    Therefore the load resistance does not affect the output current as long as the condition where R1=R2 and R3+R5 = R4+R6.  This is shown below by sweeping the load resistance and monitoring the output current of the original circuit.  Notice that while the output voltage changes, the output current is constant at 19.59mA for a 9V input:

    So, in summary this circuit looks like it's designed to create a roughly 0-22mA output.  Because the output current requirements are not that high, this circuit could be simplified by selecting an op amp that can directly drive the load such as the OPA192.  Is it possible the customer uses this circuit to create higher output current levels as well which is why the transistor current boost circuitry was included?  If so, we can look into replacing the ADI device with the TI equivalent TL082 or TL084. 

    Provide a little feedback on the questions above and we'll work on selecting the best device for this application.

  • Hi Masa,

    I realized I didn't attach the simulation files used to answer your post.  Please find them attached.

    Original.TSC

    Simplified.TSC

  • Hi Collin.

    It's been a while since we met in Dallas.
    How are you?

    Thank you for taking the time to comment and answer and make TINA-TI's file.
    thanks to you, I was able to answer.

    let me answer your question.

    1.this circuit will be used at 4-20mA of PLC.
    2.they use current boost circuit for impedance matching

    Speaking of the XTR
    I had recommended that customer use XTR.
    but, they want to make opamp to make current output schematic due to cost.

    I've supported for "Fuji Electric" which makes AC servo, Inverter , vending machine, coffee machie and
    "Hitacih" which makes ATM
    sometimes I've supported MITSUBISHI.

    whenever you want to know Japanese customer as well TI Japan, Please tell me.
    it'd be nice if i could cooperate you.